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What if the original band members meanwhile reunite and form a new band? Whose song is it?

cratermoon 2y ago
I do know of cases where a band split up, then the various members formed new bands and each claimed the song. Roger Waters e.g. left the band and tried to stop the remaining members from using the name Pink Floyd. It was a bit of a legal mess. Waters still plays Pink Floyd songs.
jMyles 2y ago
Great question. Is there a particular setlist which you think is notable and which has such an instance? I'd love to converse about how to properly parse it.
- defrost 2y ago
  Not a specific answer to the specific question ... buuut ... Possibly the best "new but not the old" name ever: The Aints (with a later iteration: The Aints!) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aints https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aints Ascension (1991): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3-L_1zw0Gc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3-L_1zw0Gc
  - jMyles 2y ago
    > Possibly the best "new but not the old" name ever: > The Aints (with a later iteration: The Aints!) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aints https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aints Oh my goodness, I second that nomination. :-) I had never heard of them (or The Saints, their kin). Are they good? What a crazy perfect name though. I see that they did some touring as recently as 2019. Do you have a good enough understanding of the lineage(s) in question to know whether the setlist.fm parser does justice per the thread topic (and related important edge cases)? In most cases it looks like "The Saints" songs are listed as covers. I wonder if there's a totally different designation trying to emerge here. Certainly curious to hear long-form thoughts on any specific song in a specific setlist that might provide insight. Setlists are here: https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=the+aints https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=the+aints
    - defrost 2y ago
      > Do you have a good enough understanding of the lineage(s) in question to know whether the setlist.fm parser does justice per the thread topic (and related important edge cases)? Oh, geez, you want rock notes? ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYVO0OakllY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYVO0OakllY ) I have a rich inner grasp of lineages I've followed .. it's a tough domain to expand into uniform generic meta data form. WRT The Saints I'm less a fan of Chris Bailey (one co-founder) more a fan of Ed Kuepper (another founder). The Saints are arguably (let's not do that now) the progenitor punk band (well, ok, one of them .. not first to record as such) With their debut single "(I'm) Stranded", released in September 1976, they became the first punk band outside the US to release a record, ahead of the first UK punk releases from the Damned, the Sex Pistols and the Clash. Stranded (OG THe Saints): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3H4U6P9KUI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3H4U6P9KUI The Aints and Laughing Clowns, et al are the follow on arc of guitarist-songwriter Ed Kuepper who is worthy of following in his own right. The Way I Made You Feel (solo album Honey Steels Gold (1991)): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhuxY30nbDE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhuxY30nbDE Eternally Yours (Laughing Clowns from the album Law Of Nature (1983)) The setlist.fm for The Aint's is really reflecting Ed Kuepper's musical history featuring works and reworkings of anything he's ever touched. Here's Ed Kuepper and the Kowalski Collective closing out a set in Sept. 2020 with a 10 minute extended encore of Electrical Storm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekVdws3020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekVdws3020 ( better version from a 2008 liveset: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p9xCfk3F4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p9xCfk3F4s ) > Are they good? What a crazy perfect name though. I'm pretty fond of his work .. it's your call as to whether you like this music or not though - no judgement.
- schwartzworld 2y ago
  I can't think of a real one. The only good reason I can think of for all the original members of a band to reunite under a different name would be if they had lost the legal right to use their old one, like when Prince became the Artist Formerly Known As Prince. It happens to solo artists from time to time, but I can't think of a band example.

I do know of cases where a band split up, then the various members formed new bands and each claimed the song. Roger Waters e.g. left the band and tried to stop the remaining members from using the name Pink Floyd. It was a bit of a legal mess. Waters still plays Pink Floyd songs.

jMyles 2y ago

Great question. Is there a particular setlist which you think is notable and which has such an instance? I'd love to converse about how to properly parse it.

defrost 2y ago
Not a specific answer to the specific question ... buuut ... Possibly the best "new but not the old" name ever: The Aints (with a later iteration: The Aints!) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aints https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aints Ascension (1991): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3-L_1zw0Gc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3-L_1zw0Gc
- jMyles 2y ago
  > Possibly the best "new but not the old" name ever: > The Aints (with a later iteration: The Aints!) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aints https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aints Oh my goodness, I second that nomination. :-) I had never heard of them (or The Saints, their kin). Are they good? What a crazy perfect name though. I see that they did some touring as recently as 2019. Do you have a good enough understanding of the lineage(s) in question to know whether the setlist.fm parser does justice per the thread topic (and related important edge cases)? In most cases it looks like "The Saints" songs are listed as covers. I wonder if there's a totally different designation trying to emerge here. Certainly curious to hear long-form thoughts on any specific song in a specific setlist that might provide insight. Setlists are here: https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=the+aints https://www.setlist.fm/search?query=the+aints
  - defrost 2y ago
    > Do you have a good enough understanding of the lineage(s) in question to know whether the setlist.fm parser does justice per the thread topic (and related important edge cases)? Oh, geez, you want rock notes? ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYVO0OakllY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYVO0OakllY ) I have a rich inner grasp of lineages I've followed .. it's a tough domain to expand into uniform generic meta data form. WRT The Saints I'm less a fan of Chris Bailey (one co-founder) more a fan of Ed Kuepper (another founder). The Saints are arguably (let's not do that now) the progenitor punk band (well, ok, one of them .. not first to record as such) With their debut single "(I'm) Stranded", released in September 1976, they became the first punk band outside the US to release a record, ahead of the first UK punk releases from the Damned, the Sex Pistols and the Clash. Stranded (OG THe Saints): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3H4U6P9KUI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3H4U6P9KUI The Aints and Laughing Clowns, et al are the follow on arc of guitarist-songwriter Ed Kuepper who is worthy of following in his own right. The Way I Made You Feel (solo album Honey Steels Gold (1991)): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhuxY30nbDE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhuxY30nbDE Eternally Yours (Laughing Clowns from the album Law Of Nature (1983)) The setlist.fm for The Aint's is really reflecting Ed Kuepper's musical history featuring works and reworkings of anything he's ever touched. Here's Ed Kuepper and the Kowalski Collective closing out a set in Sept. 2020 with a 10 minute extended encore of Electrical Storm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekVdws3020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zekVdws3020 ( better version from a 2008 liveset: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p9xCfk3F4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p9xCfk3F4s ) > Are they good? What a crazy perfect name though. I'm pretty fond of his work .. it's your call as to whether you like this music or not though - no judgement.
schwartzworld 2y ago
I can't think of a real one. The only good reason I can think of for all the original members of a band to reunite under a different name would be if they had lost the legal right to use their old one, like when Prince became the Artist Formerly Known As Prince. It happens to solo artists from time to time, but I can't think of a band example.