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Or it is more logically and ethically consistent and thus preferable to the models' baked in preferences for correctness and nonhypocrisy. (democracy and equali

Or it is more logically and ethically consistent and thus preferable to the models' baked in preferences for correctness and nonhypocrisy. (democracy and equality are good for everyone everywhere except when you're at work in which case you will beg to be treated like a feudal serf or else die on the street without shelter or healthcare, doubly so if you're a woman or a racial minority, and that's how the world should be)

renewiltord 2y ago
Indeed, one of the notable things about LLMs is that the text they output is morally exemplary. This is because they are consistent in their rules. AI priests will likely be better than the real ones, consequently.
- paxys 2y ago
  Quite the opposite. You can easily get a state of the art LLM to do a complete 180 on its entire moral framework with a few words injected in the prompt (and this very example demonstrates exactly that). It is very far from logically or ethically consistent. In fact it has no logic and ethics at all. Though if we did get an AI priest it would be great to absolve all your sins with some clever wordplay.
  - renewiltord 2y ago
    Haha exactly. Except when it agrees with my political preferences on something. In that case, the LLM is just betraying its deep internal consistency and lack of hypocrisy.
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kubb 2y ago
LLMs are great at cutting through a lot of right (and left) wing rhetorical nonsense. Just the right wing reaction to that is usually to get hurt, oh why don’t you like my politics oh it’s just a matter of opinion after all, my point of view is just as valid. Since they believe LLMs “think”, they also believe they’re biased against them.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  I think right wing tends to be much less "tolerant" of live and let live, as religions are often a huge part of their "bias" and those religions often say that others must be punished for not following God's(s') path, up and including destruction of those who don't fall in line.
  - simplify 2y ago
    Everyone has a "religion" – i.e. a system of values they subscribe to. Secular Americans are annoying because they believe they don't have one, and instead think they're just "good people", calling those who break their core values "bad people".
    - EasyMark 2y ago
      I follow a secular humanist moral system as best I can. I have tolerance for those who have tolerance for me. I grew up amongst fundamentalist christians and fundamentalist anything (christian, muslim, buddhist, whatever) leave a bad taste in my mouth. I don't care about your religion just don't try to force it on me or try to make me live by its moral system and you won't hear a peep out of me about what you're doing as long as it's not harming others.
      - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        That's a fine attitude, but now you're describing your own beliefs rather than "the right" or "the left". Statistically, white people make more money than black people and men make more money than women and there are differences in their proportions in various occupations. This could be caused by cultural differences that correlate with race, or hormonal differences that cause behavioral differences and correlate with sex, or it could be caused by racism and sexism. Much of the left takes it as an effectively religious position that the latter predominates even into present day. Many of them are quite militant and aggressive about it, and in particular will try to ruin anyone who presents evidence to the contrary or who opposes policies that would actively perpetrate injustice if their sacred assumptions weren't true anymore. Which isn't consistent with "live and let live". And that's the nature of politics. You're never passing a law by a margin of 53 to 47 because everybody agrees with it. That's the 53% telling the 47% how to live. "Only the other side does this" is false purity. There are no saints in Washington.

renewiltord 2y ago

Indeed, one of the notable things about LLMs is that the text they output is morally exemplary. This is because they are consistent in their rules. AI priests will likely be better than the real ones, consequently.

paxys 2y ago
Quite the opposite. You can easily get a state of the art LLM to do a complete 180 on its entire moral framework with a few words injected in the prompt (and this very example demonstrates exactly that). It is very far from logically or ethically consistent. In fact it has no logic and ethics at all. Though if we did get an AI priest it would be great to absolve all your sins with some clever wordplay.
- renewiltord 2y ago
  Haha exactly. Except when it agrees with my political preferences on something. In that case, the LLM is just betraying its deep internal consistency and lack of hypocrisy.

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kubb 2y ago

LLMs are great at cutting through a lot of right (and left) wing rhetorical nonsense. Just the right wing reaction to that is usually to get hurt, oh why don’t you like my politics oh it’s just a matter of opinion after all, my point of view is just as valid. Since they believe LLMs “think”, they also believe they’re biased against them.

EasyMark 2y ago
I think right wing tends to be much less "tolerant" of live and let live, as religions are often a huge part of their "bias" and those religions often say that others must be punished for not following God's(s') path, up and including destruction of those who don't fall in line.
- simplify 2y ago
  Everyone has a "religion" – i.e. a system of values they subscribe to. Secular Americans are annoying because they believe they don't have one, and instead think they're just "good people", calling those who break their core values "bad people".
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    I follow a secular humanist moral system as best I can. I have tolerance for those who have tolerance for me. I grew up amongst fundamentalist christians and fundamentalist anything (christian, muslim, buddhist, whatever) leave a bad taste in my mouth. I don't care about your religion just don't try to force it on me or try to make me live by its moral system and you won't hear a peep out of me about what you're doing as long as it's not harming others.
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      That's a fine attitude, but now you're describing your own beliefs rather than "the right" or "the left". Statistically, white people make more money than black people and men make more money than women and there are differences in their proportions in various occupations. This could be caused by cultural differences that correlate with race, or hormonal differences that cause behavioral differences and correlate with sex, or it could be caused by racism and sexism. Much of the left takes it as an effectively religious position that the latter predominates even into present day. Many of them are quite militant and aggressive about it, and in particular will try to ruin anyone who presents evidence to the contrary or who opposes policies that would actively perpetrate injustice if their sacred assumptions weren't true anymore. Which isn't consistent with "live and let live". And that's the nature of politics. You're never passing a law by a margin of 53 to 47 because everybody agrees with it. That's the 53% telling the 47% how to live. "Only the other side does this" is false purity. There are no saints in Washington.