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Did you miss the year of press cycles where this guy took El Salvador from one of the worst crime rates in the Western Hemisphere to one of the best by liberall

Did you miss the year of press cycles where this guy took El Salvador from one of the worst crime rates in the Western Hemisphere to one of the best by liberally arresting anyone he thought might be related to crime gangs? From Wikipedia: > During his presidency, Bukele enacted tough-on-crime policies that scholars have characterized as successfully reducing gang activity and violent crime at the cost of arbitrary arrest and alleged widespread human rights abuses.

TheCleric 2y ago
So having a low crime rate is more important than keeping innocent people out of jail?
- tartuffe78 2y ago
  I would bet it depends on the rate of each happening to the average voter.
- ananamouse 2y ago
  According to the voting population of El Salvador, yes. If society has philosophically nice and clean set of rules that allow brutal gangs to terrorize the citizenry, just how worthwhile are those rules? Maybe the system needs a reboot before they can be worthwhile again.
- poincaredisk 2y ago
  I assume in this context "low crime" doesn't refer to shoplifting, but to gang violence, murders, kidnappings, and shootings. If you fear about your life daily, you will probably be more willing to accept extreme measures than someone living in a relative comfort and safety.
- thephyber 2y ago
  I didn’t say that, and I even clipped the relevant Wiki article which described the trade-off of law/liberty.
overfeed 2y ago
Who, pray tell, publishes the Salvadorian crime rates? Dragnet arresting young men will reduce crime in any country, but that sure is worse than the disease because while that action of arresting innocents is not "illegal" from the regime's perspective, it should be. So "crime" has gone up, and perpetrated by the state against citizens.
- coldtea 2y ago
  >So "crime" has gone up Just not for regular folks that can walk around their city and not get mugged or shot

TheCleric 2y ago

So having a low crime rate is more important than keeping innocent people out of jail?

tartuffe78 2y ago
I would bet it depends on the rate of each happening to the average voter.
ananamouse 2y ago
According to the voting population of El Salvador, yes. If society has philosophically nice and clean set of rules that allow brutal gangs to terrorize the citizenry, just how worthwhile are those rules? Maybe the system needs a reboot before they can be worthwhile again.
poincaredisk 2y ago
I assume in this context "low crime" doesn't refer to shoplifting, but to gang violence, murders, kidnappings, and shootings. If you fear about your life daily, you will probably be more willing to accept extreme measures than someone living in a relative comfort and safety.
thephyber 2y ago
I didn’t say that, and I even clipped the relevant Wiki article which described the trade-off of law/liberty.

overfeed 2y ago

Who, pray tell, publishes the Salvadorian crime rates? Dragnet arresting young men will reduce crime in any country, but that sure is worse than the disease because while that action of arresting innocents is not "illegal" from the regime's perspective, it should be. So "crime" has gone up, and perpetrated by the state against citizens.

coldtea 2y ago
>So "crime" has gone up Just not for regular folks that can walk around their city and not get mugged or shot