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It probably has its advantages but until the UX reaches what we get with “docker run” this technology will never achieve its potential. When developing we need

It probably has its advantages but until the UX reaches what we get with “docker run” this technology will never achieve its potential. When developing we need to think not only about what is possible but also how people do things currently and how does that compare to what we are proposing in terms of ergonomics. How many commands to get from 0 to hero with incumbent solution? How many with proposed solution? You get the point.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
I believe FreeBSD has podman running on top of jails now, so that should... exist? I mean, you can still run jails directly like this, but the days of `podman run` are either here or imminent.
- ggm-at-algebras 2y ago
  https://docs.vultr.com/how-to-install-podman-on-freebsd-14-0 https://docs.vultr.com/how-to-install-podman-on-freebsd-14-0
benatkin 2y ago
docker run is broken as of April 1, 2025 https://docs.docker.com/docker-hub/usage/ https://docs.docker.com/docker-hub/usage/ 100 pulls per 6 hours. I think each base layer counts. Also may have troubles with ip4 reuse. It was bad enough they delayed it a month: https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/22/docker_hub_pull_limits/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/22/docker_hub_pull_limit... https://github.com/search?q=%22docker+pull%22+limit&type=issues&s=created&o=desc https://github.com/search?q=%22docker+pull%22+limit&type=iss... Better to use podman and build your own containers from Containerfile/Dockerfile (your own or open source ones, there are a ton on GitHub/GitLab/Codeberg that you can build yourself) and base layers.
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- arcanemachiner 2y ago
  That's not "broken". Docker Inc. is just rate-limiting access to their service. A service which, for what it's worth, has been used to bootstrap the technology required to sustain a pile of money for a lot of people. There are other container repositories, and as you said, you can build your own containers and run those.
  - benatkin 2y ago
    It's a dependency bottleneck that requires a pretty hefty amount of money ($9/mo) to get around
    - gbear605 2y ago
      You can just host your own registry, or use a managed one like AWS ECR (which has a pretty good free tier).
- homebrewer 2y ago
  One can use Google as a proxy, it isn't rate limited afaik https://cloud.google.com/artifact-registry/docs/pull-cached-dockerhub-images https://cloud.google.com/artifact-registry/docs/pull-cached-...
- bolognafairy 2y ago
  Can you please stop with the dramatic hyperbole first paragraph? What are you, a clickbait article headline writer?
Kimitri 2y ago
I personally really like Bastille for jail management. It's way more ergonomic than creating jails by hand and allows you to focus on the stuff running in the jails rather than the jails themselves.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago

I believe FreeBSD has podman running on top of jails now, so that should... exist? I mean, you can still run jails directly like this, but the days of `podman run` are either here or imminent.

ggm-at-algebras 2y ago
https://docs.vultr.com/how-to-install-podman-on-freebsd-14-0 https://docs.vultr.com/how-to-install-podman-on-freebsd-14-0

benatkin 2y ago

docker run is broken as of April 1, 2025 https://docs.docker.com/docker-hub/usage/ https://docs.docker.com/docker-hub/usage/ 100 pulls per 6 hours. I think each base layer counts. Also may have troubles with ip4 reuse. It was bad enough they delayed it a month: https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/22/docker_hub_pull_limits/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/02/22/docker_hub_pull_limit... https://github.com/search?q=%22docker+pull%22+limit&type=issues&s=created&o=desc https://github.com/search?q=%22docker+pull%22+limit&type=iss... Better to use podman and build your own containers from Containerfile/Dockerfile (your own or open source ones, there are a ton on GitHub/GitLab/Codeberg that you can build yourself) and base layers.

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arcanemachiner 2y ago
That's not "broken". Docker Inc. is just rate-limiting access to their service. A service which, for what it's worth, has been used to bootstrap the technology required to sustain a pile of money for a lot of people. There are other container repositories, and as you said, you can build your own containers and run those.
- benatkin 2y ago
  It's a dependency bottleneck that requires a pretty hefty amount of money ($9/mo) to get around
  - gbear605 2y ago
    You can just host your own registry, or use a managed one like AWS ECR (which has a pretty good free tier).
homebrewer 2y ago
One can use Google as a proxy, it isn't rate limited afaik https://cloud.google.com/artifact-registry/docs/pull-cached-dockerhub-images https://cloud.google.com/artifact-registry/docs/pull-cached-...
bolognafairy 2y ago
Can you please stop with the dramatic hyperbole first paragraph? What are you, a clickbait article headline writer?

Kimitri 2y ago

I personally really like Bastille for jail management. It's way more ergonomic than creating jails by hand and allows you to focus on the stuff running in the jails rather than the jails themselves.