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What would it take for Canada to hit 2%? https://globalnews.ca/news/11050336/canada-defence-spending-nato-target-money-explained/ https://globalnews.ca/news/11

What would it take for Canada to hit 2%? https://globalnews.ca/news/11050336/canada-defence-spending-nato-target-money-explained/ https://globalnews.ca/news/11050336/canada-defence-spending-... The US massively subsidizes Canada’s national defense and energy production (crude oil refining).

vkou 2y ago
Thank you for providing me a front-row example of it. There's always one bullshit excuse or another. In reality, the US suppresses Canada's national defense, because for some weird reason, it doesn't want a heavily-armed neighbor. As for energy, for every dollar of it that it buys, it derives far more than a dollar of economic utility from it, which is why it's screaming bloody murder at the mere mention of Canada turning off, or adding surcharges at the tap. All this is why in 2025, one would have to be an utter fool to expect America to keep faith.
- sebmellen 2y ago
  In reality, Canadians have bravely fought and died for American interests in the Middle East. Don’t take any of this as my personal view, or as a repudiation of the interpersonal camaraderie that Americans, by and large, still feel with Canadians (although I understand it’s no longer universally reciprocated). However, as a matter of industrial economic reality, NAFTA likely benefited Canada more than it did the US, and the US does subsidize NATO and Canadian defense by extension. What barriers are there to an independent Canadian defense industry? (Although I would argue that NAFTA benefited both countries, and we should continue our free trade agreements!)
  - bmandale 2y ago
    >What barriers are there to an independent Canadian defense industry? A defense industry is intertwined with a industry for civilians, for example in aeronautics. Certain nearby trading partners have historically stymied attempts to maintain such an industry.
    - sebmellen 2y ago
      On the contrary, NAFTA supported Canadian industry! Auto, agriculture, energy, you name it.

vkou 2y ago

Thank you for providing me a front-row example of it. There's always one bullshit excuse or another. In reality, the US suppresses Canada's national defense, because for some weird reason, it doesn't want a heavily-armed neighbor. As for energy, for every dollar of it that it buys, it derives far more than a dollar of economic utility from it, which is why it's screaming bloody murder at the mere mention of Canada turning off, or adding surcharges at the tap. All this is why in 2025, one would have to be an utter fool to expect America to keep faith.

sebmellen 2y ago
In reality, Canadians have bravely fought and died for American interests in the Middle East. Don’t take any of this as my personal view, or as a repudiation of the interpersonal camaraderie that Americans, by and large, still feel with Canadians (although I understand it’s no longer universally reciprocated). However, as a matter of industrial economic reality, NAFTA likely benefited Canada more than it did the US, and the US does subsidize NATO and Canadian defense by extension. What barriers are there to an independent Canadian defense industry? (Although I would argue that NAFTA benefited both countries, and we should continue our free trade agreements!)
- bmandale 2y ago
  >What barriers are there to an independent Canadian defense industry? A defense industry is intertwined with a industry for civilians, for example in aeronautics. Certain nearby trading partners have historically stymied attempts to maintain such an industry.
  - sebmellen 2y ago
    On the contrary, NAFTA supported Canadian industry! Auto, agriculture, energy, you name it.