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I voted for Trump, I think they have very large aspirational ideas. I think they have a very shallow bench to implement the low level details. They are also ju

I voted for Trump, I think they have very large aspirational ideas. I think they have a very shallow bench to implement the low level details. They are also just terrible at communication, needlessly aggressive and bombastic

gtech1 2y ago
alright, can you try and answer #1 for me ? Why weren't services included in that chart ?
- wonderwonder 2y ago
  I have a guess but not a solid one. The way they determined the rates on these tariffs makes no sense at all. I wish they would have just explained it instead of pushing back and insisting it was based on real existing tariff rates. They really dropped the ball on this implementation. If I was to hazard that guess, they don't care about services, services are already a dominant US product, no one can beat us. Manufacturing is where we are weak so they went after that. They want manufacturing to come back to the US in case of a war with China over Taiwan. They also don't want counter tariffs on services as again that's our major export. What's really interesting and I could be wrong here is I dont think anyone else has actually hit the US with tariffs on those same services. Its a very calm trade war so far. But its early
  - gtech1 2y ago
    See, even the way you explained it is miles above what they said. Claiming the trade balance is unjust but leaving out a major component reeks of dishonesty. How can anyone trust them ?
    - wonderwonder 2y ago
      I don't trust them at all, I just needed them to beat the alternative. I expect to like 60% of his policies. He has been delivering in spades for me on those. The rest is a dice game.
      - wredcoll 2y ago
        I admire your ability to ignore harm to people for your own profit. What are some policies that I too could profit from?
        overfeed 2y ago
        Maybe investing in currently-sanctioned Russian companies? Odds of Russian sanctions being removed are better than even, IMO.
        wonderwonder 2y ago
        "your ability to ignore harm to people for your own profit" Hey friend, not really sure why you are being passive aggressive with me? I'm not ignoring harm to people, my wife's 401k is red. I very much dislike the panic that people are experiencing right now watching their retirement plunge. "I don't trust them at all, I just needed them to beat the alternative" Did you think this meant regarding his economic policies as in make money from them? I did not vote for him on the economy at all. If I see a way to hedge against what's coming, of course I will do that. Would be foolish not to. By alternative I meant the other option for president. If you are angry at me for that, then so be it but you don't know me, we can be civil. You are free to just not comment.
        gtech1 2y ago
        You seem like a level headed dood and we seem to agree that their current strategy is incomprehensible apparently to both supporters and non-supporters alike. You mentioned he delivered/will deliver on roughly 60% of the things you were looking for. Do you draw the line somewhere and say, even if I get 60% of things I want, the other 40% could be/are a real dealbreaker ? It's a very common thing for politicians to deliver on some things that are inconsequential while pursuing their own private agenda for other things. In my home country there's a saying about politicians: He stole, but he also delivered. The social contract is that as long as the politician does 10% common good, (usually highly visible, populist, short term stuff) he can pursue his own interests be they short term, or long term, even if they are detrimental to the society as a whole - as long as he delivered some short term results.
  - binarymax 2y ago
    The rates were likely a bad GPT prompt. I wish I was joking. https://www.theverge.com/news/642620/trump-tariffs-formula-ai-chatgpt-gemini-claude-grok https://www.theverge.com/news/642620/trump-tariffs-formula-a...
    - wonderwonder 2y ago
      Maybe Ai really is going to be the end of us
      - ModernMech 2y ago
        This is not the fault of AI, it's just a tool. The fault lies with the specific people in government, MAGA republicans, using this very powerful tool in a reckless, negligent, and improper way. POTUS has endless access to real human expert knowledge, the top minds in the world, and they are using AI instead? This is a scandal in its own right, but we have to deal with an economic crisis, and a national security disaster, on top of an apparent complete collapse of competence in the west wing; it's literally being run by C-students who graduate without doing their own homework.
        wonderwonder 2y ago
        I know that friend, it was a joke
TooSmugToFail 2y ago
Yeah, turns out running the largest economy on the planet is even more complicated than setting the clock on a VCR. Who would have thought. At least they tried.
- wonderwonder 2y ago
  oh I think they very much know what they are doing from a directional sense. All of this is intentional. I just think they are VERY bad at the details.

gtech1 2y ago

alright, can you try and answer #1 for me ? Why weren't services included in that chart ?

wonderwonder 2y ago
I have a guess but not a solid one. The way they determined the rates on these tariffs makes no sense at all. I wish they would have just explained it instead of pushing back and insisting it was based on real existing tariff rates. They really dropped the ball on this implementation. If I was to hazard that guess, they don't care about services, services are already a dominant US product, no one can beat us. Manufacturing is where we are weak so they went after that. They want manufacturing to come back to the US in case of a war with China over Taiwan. They also don't want counter tariffs on services as again that's our major export. What's really interesting and I could be wrong here is I dont think anyone else has actually hit the US with tariffs on those same services. Its a very calm trade war so far. But its early
- gtech1 2y ago
  See, even the way you explained it is miles above what they said. Claiming the trade balance is unjust but leaving out a major component reeks of dishonesty. How can anyone trust them ?
  - wonderwonder 2y ago
    I don't trust them at all, I just needed them to beat the alternative. I expect to like 60% of his policies. He has been delivering in spades for me on those. The rest is a dice game.
    - wredcoll 2y ago
      I admire your ability to ignore harm to people for your own profit. What are some policies that I too could profit from?
      - overfeed 2y ago
        Maybe investing in currently-sanctioned Russian companies? Odds of Russian sanctions being removed are better than even, IMO.
      - wonderwonder 2y ago
        "your ability to ignore harm to people for your own profit" Hey friend, not really sure why you are being passive aggressive with me? I'm not ignoring harm to people, my wife's 401k is red. I very much dislike the panic that people are experiencing right now watching their retirement plunge. "I don't trust them at all, I just needed them to beat the alternative" Did you think this meant regarding his economic policies as in make money from them? I did not vote for him on the economy at all. If I see a way to hedge against what's coming, of course I will do that. Would be foolish not to. By alternative I meant the other option for president. If you are angry at me for that, then so be it but you don't know me, we can be civil. You are free to just not comment.
        gtech1 2y ago
        You seem like a level headed dood and we seem to agree that their current strategy is incomprehensible apparently to both supporters and non-supporters alike. You mentioned he delivered/will deliver on roughly 60% of the things you were looking for. Do you draw the line somewhere and say, even if I get 60% of things I want, the other 40% could be/are a real dealbreaker ? It's a very common thing for politicians to deliver on some things that are inconsequential while pursuing their own private agenda for other things. In my home country there's a saying about politicians: He stole, but he also delivered. The social contract is that as long as the politician does 10% common good, (usually highly visible, populist, short term stuff) he can pursue his own interests be they short term, or long term, even if they are detrimental to the society as a whole - as long as he delivered some short term results.
- binarymax 2y ago
  The rates were likely a bad GPT prompt. I wish I was joking. https://www.theverge.com/news/642620/trump-tariffs-formula-ai-chatgpt-gemini-claude-grok https://www.theverge.com/news/642620/trump-tariffs-formula-a...
  - wonderwonder 2y ago
    Maybe Ai really is going to be the end of us
    - ModernMech 2y ago
      This is not the fault of AI, it's just a tool. The fault lies with the specific people in government, MAGA republicans, using this very powerful tool in a reckless, negligent, and improper way. POTUS has endless access to real human expert knowledge, the top minds in the world, and they are using AI instead? This is a scandal in its own right, but we have to deal with an economic crisis, and a national security disaster, on top of an apparent complete collapse of competence in the west wing; it's literally being run by C-students who graduate without doing their own homework.
      - wonderwonder 2y ago
        I know that friend, it was a joke

TooSmugToFail 2y ago

Yeah, turns out running the largest economy on the planet is even more complicated than setting the clock on a VCR. Who would have thought. At least they tried.

wonderwonder 2y ago
oh I think they very much know what they are doing from a directional sense. All of this is intentional. I just think they are VERY bad at the details.