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If someone said they wanted another kistallnacht while holding torches and refusing to allow jews to walk down the street, would you know what they meant? Are t

If someone said they wanted another kistallnacht while holding torches and refusing to allow jews to walk down the street, would you know what they meant? Are they just talking about breaking some glass at a jewish wedding? Maybe they just want to go to one of those rage rooms? Just so we're clear, people are still losing their minds when someone "finds" a noose-like knot in the vicinity. There is no baily here.

viccis 2y ago
You're still stuck on the bailey. Let's see the motte (in this case, some evidence of a pattern of calling for genocide of Jews at Columbia)
- starik36 2y ago
  How about outright harassment of Jewish students at Columbia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_at_Columbia_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_at_Columbia_Unive... Does that qualify? No? Now replace Jewish with African American. Is that still OK in your book?
  - viccis 1y ago
    There was no significant harassment, and what harassment there was was a fraction compared to the harassment of Palestinian supports by others (including Jewish students and faculty). Even the article you posted points out that it's bunk at the top lol
    - starik36 1y ago
      Oh? No harassment. Well shoot, we should let the Jewish students know. Jewish Students Sheltered Inside College Library During Protest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFbKViNrMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFbKViNrMo 35 percent of of Jewish students say there has been violence or acts of hate targeting Jews on their campus https://www.hillel.org/more-than-one-third-of-jewish-college-students-are-hiding-their-jewish-identity-on-campus-new-hillel-international-poll-finds/ https://www.hillel.org/more-than-one-third-of-jewish-college... But sure, all good. The apologist for the violent maniacs says it's all good. So then it must be good.
      - viccis 1y ago
        That's like asking Stormfront if they think there's a threat from non-whites.
        starik36 1y ago
        Comparing Jews to Nazis. I think you might be a horrible person and a troll.
        viccis 1y ago
        Some of them were (kapos) and helped found Israel. They watched and learned a lot.
- trustinmenowpls 1y ago
  you got your terms confused, regardless Kristallnacht == intifada. People calling for a globalized intifada are literally calling for genocide of Jews everyone (including Columbia).
  - viccis 1y ago
    No, my terms are correct. The bailey is: "they are calling for the genocide of Jews!!!" Once challenged, you will retreat to the more easily proven: "they are advocating for the return the land to the Palestinian people", as you just did there. I can promise you that no group of people needs to be allowed to occupy a previously settled region with violence in order to continue to exist. I've heard this argument from white nationalists who call for a white nation to similarly preserve their people from perceived threats, as well as heard it numerous times in African settler colonies (Rhodesia, South Africa, etc.) It's a standard ethnostate talking point, and none of us are fooled by it.
    - trustinmenowpls 1y ago
      Yes now you've corrected the terms, in your previous comment you claimed the motte was calls for genocide. Regardless, I'm defending what you're calling the bailey as it's easily defensible based on observable current events. Care to explain how Kristallnacht is in any way different from an intifada? They are literally the same thing, a disorganized mob raping, murdering and attacking innocent civilians. The Arabs have done two intifadas, both resulted in countless dead and injured Jews who were attacked solely for being "el-yahud" aka "yuden" aka Jews. As I said above, there is no motte and bailey fallacy here. You're the one making false claims about harassment of hamas supporters.
      - viccis 1y ago
        >Care to explain how Kristallnacht is in any way different from an intifada Calls for a "global intifada" are simply calls to oppose the existence of the state of Israel as a settler colony in the land formerly known as Palestine. That's it. It is an immoral country, built by settlers as an ethnostate, and its existence is a moral stain on the world. Has literally nothing to do with "Jews" (I feel the same way about the Muslims in Nagorno-Karabakh right now) and everything to do with a bunch of jack boot fascists who ethnically cleansed an area and continue to oppress the remainder of the people there at gunpoint in massive concentration camps. Calling for an intifada (which just means "resistance") against that is no difference than calling for the end of Rhodesia. This is a nation that made a man into a celebrity for raping prisoners.

viccis 2y ago

You're still stuck on the bailey. Let's see the motte (in this case, some evidence of a pattern of calling for genocide of Jews at Columbia)

starik36 2y ago
How about outright harassment of Jewish students at Columbia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_at_Columbia_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_at_Columbia_Unive... Does that qualify? No? Now replace Jewish with African American. Is that still OK in your book?
- viccis 1y ago
  There was no significant harassment, and what harassment there was was a fraction compared to the harassment of Palestinian supports by others (including Jewish students and faculty). Even the article you posted points out that it's bunk at the top lol
  - starik36 1y ago
    Oh? No harassment. Well shoot, we should let the Jewish students know. Jewish Students Sheltered Inside College Library During Protest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFbKViNrMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFbKViNrMo 35 percent of of Jewish students say there has been violence or acts of hate targeting Jews on their campus https://www.hillel.org/more-than-one-third-of-jewish-college-students-are-hiding-their-jewish-identity-on-campus-new-hillel-international-poll-finds/ https://www.hillel.org/more-than-one-third-of-jewish-college... But sure, all good. The apologist for the violent maniacs says it's all good. So then it must be good.
    - viccis 1y ago
      That's like asking Stormfront if they think there's a threat from non-whites.
      - starik36 1y ago
        Comparing Jews to Nazis. I think you might be a horrible person and a troll.
        viccis 1y ago
        Some of them were (kapos) and helped found Israel. They watched and learned a lot.
trustinmenowpls 1y ago
you got your terms confused, regardless Kristallnacht == intifada. People calling for a globalized intifada are literally calling for genocide of Jews everyone (including Columbia).
- viccis 1y ago
  No, my terms are correct. The bailey is: "they are calling for the genocide of Jews!!!" Once challenged, you will retreat to the more easily proven: "they are advocating for the return the land to the Palestinian people", as you just did there. I can promise you that no group of people needs to be allowed to occupy a previously settled region with violence in order to continue to exist. I've heard this argument from white nationalists who call for a white nation to similarly preserve their people from perceived threats, as well as heard it numerous times in African settler colonies (Rhodesia, South Africa, etc.) It's a standard ethnostate talking point, and none of us are fooled by it.
  - trustinmenowpls 1y ago
    Yes now you've corrected the terms, in your previous comment you claimed the motte was calls for genocide. Regardless, I'm defending what you're calling the bailey as it's easily defensible based on observable current events. Care to explain how Kristallnacht is in any way different from an intifada? They are literally the same thing, a disorganized mob raping, murdering and attacking innocent civilians. The Arabs have done two intifadas, both resulted in countless dead and injured Jews who were attacked solely for being "el-yahud" aka "yuden" aka Jews. As I said above, there is no motte and bailey fallacy here. You're the one making false claims about harassment of hamas supporters.
    - viccis 1y ago
      >Care to explain how Kristallnacht is in any way different from an intifada Calls for a "global intifada" are simply calls to oppose the existence of the state of Israel as a settler colony in the land formerly known as Palestine. That's it. It is an immoral country, built by settlers as an ethnostate, and its existence is a moral stain on the world. Has literally nothing to do with "Jews" (I feel the same way about the Muslims in Nagorno-Karabakh right now) and everything to do with a bunch of jack boot fascists who ethnically cleansed an area and continue to oppress the remainder of the people there at gunpoint in massive concentration camps. Calling for an intifada (which just means "resistance") against that is no difference than calling for the end of Rhodesia. This is a nation that made a man into a celebrity for raping prisoners.