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I can assure you that the homeless people in San Francisco are not why San Francisco doesn't look as advanced as Shenzhen or even Chengdu. The parts of the cit
by skyyler 2y ago
I can assure you that the homeless people in San Francisco are not why San Francisco doesn't look as advanced as Shenzhen or even Chengdu.
The parts of the city that don't have many homeless people are still old and decaying looking compared to modest Chinese cities.
- lurker9001 2y ago[dead]
- someperson 2y agoIn part it's because SF is relatively old. BART is 50 years old, and New York Subway is over 100 years old. Check back on China's gleaming rail system and newly constructed cities in 50 or 100 years. You can bet it will look older and more tired, an ageing snapshot of a once in a century construction boom. Especially if China experiences several lost decades like Japan, which is increasingly likely.
- cpursley 2y agoThis is a lame excuse, look at the Moscow Metro, it's old yet clean, maintained, safe and constantly expanding. As are many European metros - while dated, they are fine (despite the grumblings of Londoners and Parisians). This is a political will issue, not an infrastructure one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNpsWx8DPGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNpsWx8DPGk
- skyyler 2y agoComparing Moscow Metro to BART just makes me sad. BART should be an amazing, world class rail system. Instead, it's kind of a joke.
- sightbroke 2y agoAmerica is built for maximizing consumption. Public transit gets in the way of selling cars which goes against maximizing consumption. Additionally there is a lack of infrastructure and culture to keep public transit clean.
- cpursley 2y agoMoscow has the largest shopping mall in Europe and there's a new metro stop that drops you off right in front of it (not to mention bus stops): https://maps.app.goo.gl/7fyY9hBNuAxXTLZx5 https://maps.app.goo.gl/7fyY9hBNuAxXTLZx5 So I'm not totally convinced the problem in the US is just about consumption.
- sightbroke 2y agoDoes Russia have a comparably large automotive manufacturing industry & related industry in comparison to the U.S.? I fail to see how public transit to shopping center in Russia is counter to my point that America likes to consume cars and that better public transit in the U.S. would hurt the selling (i.e consumption) of cars. Also, again: > Additionally there is a lack of infrastructure and culture to keep public transit clean.
- cpursley 2y agoAh, you specifically meant consuming cars. I totally misread that as general consumption. Yeah, I'm with you on that. American car culture is very strange, the brodozers as status symbol and mentality behind them is a pox. The culture of "you ain't no real mayun if you ain't got da big truck" is something that I think only $10+ a gallon gas can solve...
- skyyler 2y agoYou're saying that China's ability to build rail for the last 20 years while America struggled to build rail has something to do with "several lost decades" that you're anticipating? Could you expand on why you think China will have lost decades?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> why you think China will have lost decades? Demographics. Though America may save it from itself.
- skyyler 2y agoCan you expand what you mean by "Demographics"?
- JumpCrisscross 2y agoDeclining and rapidly-aging population [1]. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/12/05/key-facts-about-chinas-declining-population/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/12/05/key-facts...