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It's going to cause fracturing at every level. Countries will question their interdependence on each other. Then US states will reconsider their dependence o

It's going to cause fracturing at every level. Countries will question their interdependence on each other. Then US states will reconsider their dependence on the federal government. The end result is a hyper-local world with only the minimum necessary trade between enclaves.

trhway 2y ago
> The end result is a hyper-local world with only the minimum necessary trade between enclaves. It has been always unclear to me how Roman Empire turned into that multitude of feudal states and microstates. And i lived through USSR collapse, and that dissolution of great central power is still hard to get a mental hold on - you live in one paradigm and somehow you find yourself living in completely different one, whatever was truth and crime yesterday, today became crime and truth, and i'm having kind of deja vu these days here :)
fnordpiglet 2y ago
A much more likely outcome is in the next election those who caused all the pain are denied power by those suffering the pain.
- arcticbull 2y ago
  ... next election? Sorry but that's no longer a foregone conclusion.
  - fnordpiglet 2y ago
    In almost a year and a half. https://www.npr.org/2016/02/15/466848438/why-president-how-the-u-s-named-its-leader https://www.npr.org/2016/02/15/466848438/why-president-how-t... The president as a title was meant as a diminutive relative to the Congress. The capitol building is at the precise center of Washington DC - literally and for a reason. The Supreme Court is across the street and for many years was inside the capitol. The White House is in the middle of no where with a direct line of sight to Thomas Jefferson looking into the presidents bedroom. These are not accidents. Next time you’re there read what is written on the walls surrounding Jefferson and the architectural decisions made make a lot of sense and should be a warning to anyone sleeping in that bedroom. Congress ceded power over time to the executive proactively as presidents subsequent to Washington emulated his integrity. They have the ability to remove all of the power of the president, whose role, officially, is to merely preside. All you say? Crazy. But they’re the only body that can pass amendments to the constitution. So, we don’t need to wait for the next presidential election if we don’t choose to. It’s up to we the people to choose.
    - mcv 2y ago
      That's all in theory. As long as Trump has the support from the Republicans in Congress, from the Supreme Court, from the police, and from the many loyalists he put into various offices, he can basically do whatever he likes. What's going to happen if he declares there will be no more elections for some fabricated reason? Who will actually stop him?

trhway 2y ago

> The end result is a hyper-local world with only the minimum necessary trade between enclaves. It has been always unclear to me how Roman Empire turned into that multitude of feudal states and microstates. And i lived through USSR collapse, and that dissolution of great central power is still hard to get a mental hold on - you live in one paradigm and somehow you find yourself living in completely different one, whatever was truth and crime yesterday, today became crime and truth, and i'm having kind of deja vu these days here :)

fnordpiglet 2y ago

A much more likely outcome is in the next election those who caused all the pain are denied power by those suffering the pain.

arcticbull 2y ago
... next election? Sorry but that's no longer a foregone conclusion.
- fnordpiglet 2y ago
  In almost a year and a half. https://www.npr.org/2016/02/15/466848438/why-president-how-the-u-s-named-its-leader https://www.npr.org/2016/02/15/466848438/why-president-how-t... The president as a title was meant as a diminutive relative to the Congress. The capitol building is at the precise center of Washington DC - literally and for a reason. The Supreme Court is across the street and for many years was inside the capitol. The White House is in the middle of no where with a direct line of sight to Thomas Jefferson looking into the presidents bedroom. These are not accidents. Next time you’re there read what is written on the walls surrounding Jefferson and the architectural decisions made make a lot of sense and should be a warning to anyone sleeping in that bedroom. Congress ceded power over time to the executive proactively as presidents subsequent to Washington emulated his integrity. They have the ability to remove all of the power of the president, whose role, officially, is to merely preside. All you say? Crazy. But they’re the only body that can pass amendments to the constitution. So, we don’t need to wait for the next presidential election if we don’t choose to. It’s up to we the people to choose.
  - mcv 2y ago
    That's all in theory. As long as Trump has the support from the Republicans in Congress, from the Supreme Court, from the police, and from the many loyalists he put into various offices, he can basically do whatever he likes. What's going to happen if he declares there will be no more elections for some fabricated reason? Who will actually stop him?