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Being paid what you're owed doesn't necessitate gratitude.

by skeaker 2y ago

jgalt212 2y ago
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margalabargala 2y ago
For those who disagree with this, when was the last time you thanked your boss for your paycheck?
- jgalt212 2y ago
  But, I bet many have thanked their boss for the opportunity given to them. This statement of gratitude is a tacit acknowledgement of salary.
  - ath3nd 2y ago
    > But, I bet many have thanked their boss for the opportunity given to them. I literally don't know anybody who has any desire of expressing gratitude to their boss for the "opportunity" given to them. What kind of servile lapdogs do consider their work an "opportunity"? How about the bosses realize that without workers, their businesses will implode, and thank their workers for the "opportunity" to have a working business instead? Jobs are an exchange of a worker's time and skills for a wage. If you expect workers with a touch servility on top, I suggest you go back to the medieval times of lords and servants.
    - 47282847 2y ago
      I agree in general with your points, except that I believe both parties “should“ (can) be grateful for each other and in that acknowledge they both need each other. It’s nice for wellbeing to be grateful for everything good that happens, it doesn’t necessarily imply servitude.
      - ath3nd 2y ago
        > except that I believe both parties “should“ (can) be grateful for each other and in that acknowledge they both need each other. Hard disagree on both needing each other. Employers can't exist or build their own riches without workers, while workers have existed for thousands of years, much before employers. If we are considering the relationship in adversarial terms, always remember that workers are the only ones actually producing anything of value. Without workers, garbage won't be collected, water won't be delivered to households, buildings won't be built, and food won't be grown. The people pushing the paternalistic narrative telling us that we should be "grateful" for the "opportunity" to merely work for a wage have forgotten the French Revolution, the Bolshevik revolution, and all the strikes and revolutions of workers that have advanced our rights to where we have them today. The 5 day work week and the 9-to-5, child labor protections, and workers' rights were not brought to you by the employers. In fact, employers often actively resisted those, and had to be put in their rightful place by their workers. > It’s nice for wellbeing to be grateful for everything good that happens Judging by what happened to the employers and the rich during the workers' revolutions, it's probably a good advice for the wellbeing of the work-givers to start practicing daily gratitude towards their own employees. You see, it's just the workers that find themselves more often in the possession of pitchforks and torches.
        47282847 2y ago
        > Without workers, garbage won't be collected, water won't be delivered to households, buildings won't be built, and food won't be grown. Again I agree with everything you say but disagree on the part about needing each other/gratitude. The worker also wants all that, and for it to happen, they need collaboration and exchange/division of labor, for which they are allowed to be grateful for.
  - margalabargala 2y ago
    Depends on the worker I guess. In many skilled professions, you are more likely to see the boss thanking the worker, for chossing to work there and provide their badly needed skills, than the other way around. It probably depends on the local unemployment rate.

Being paid what you're owed doesn't necessitate gratitude.

jgalt212 2y ago

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margalabargala 2y ago

For those who disagree with this, when was the last time you thanked your boss for your paycheck?

jgalt212 2y ago
But, I bet many have thanked their boss for the opportunity given to them. This statement of gratitude is a tacit acknowledgement of salary.
- ath3nd 2y ago
  > But, I bet many have thanked their boss for the opportunity given to them. I literally don't know anybody who has any desire of expressing gratitude to their boss for the "opportunity" given to them. What kind of servile lapdogs do consider their work an "opportunity"? How about the bosses realize that without workers, their businesses will implode, and thank their workers for the "opportunity" to have a working business instead? Jobs are an exchange of a worker's time and skills for a wage. If you expect workers with a touch servility on top, I suggest you go back to the medieval times of lords and servants.
  - 47282847 2y ago
    I agree in general with your points, except that I believe both parties “should“ (can) be grateful for each other and in that acknowledge they both need each other. It’s nice for wellbeing to be grateful for everything good that happens, it doesn’t necessarily imply servitude.
    - ath3nd 2y ago
      > except that I believe both parties “should“ (can) be grateful for each other and in that acknowledge they both need each other. Hard disagree on both needing each other. Employers can't exist or build their own riches without workers, while workers have existed for thousands of years, much before employers. If we are considering the relationship in adversarial terms, always remember that workers are the only ones actually producing anything of value. Without workers, garbage won't be collected, water won't be delivered to households, buildings won't be built, and food won't be grown. The people pushing the paternalistic narrative telling us that we should be "grateful" for the "opportunity" to merely work for a wage have forgotten the French Revolution, the Bolshevik revolution, and all the strikes and revolutions of workers that have advanced our rights to where we have them today. The 5 day work week and the 9-to-5, child labor protections, and workers' rights were not brought to you by the employers. In fact, employers often actively resisted those, and had to be put in their rightful place by their workers. > It’s nice for wellbeing to be grateful for everything good that happens Judging by what happened to the employers and the rich during the workers' revolutions, it's probably a good advice for the wellbeing of the work-givers to start practicing daily gratitude towards their own employees. You see, it's just the workers that find themselves more often in the possession of pitchforks and torches.
      - 47282847 2y ago
        > Without workers, garbage won't be collected, water won't be delivered to households, buildings won't be built, and food won't be grown. Again I agree with everything you say but disagree on the part about needing each other/gratitude. The worker also wants all that, and for it to happen, they need collaboration and exchange/division of labor, for which they are allowed to be grateful for.
- margalabargala 2y ago
  Depends on the worker I guess. In many skilled professions, you are more likely to see the boss thanking the worker, for chossing to work there and provide their badly needed skills, than the other way around. It probably depends on the local unemployment rate.