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> The answer is, because the money doesn’t come with a loyalty oath But it does come with some reasonable level of consideration and appreciation.
by jgalt212 2y ago
> The answer is, because the money doesn’t come with a loyalty oath
But it does come with some reasonable level of consideration and appreciation.
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- turtlesdown11 2y ago"you didn't say thank you!!!"
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- sigmar 2y agoYou don't know how they feel, so what you're saying is "they have to show/express appreciation," which is synonymous with a loyalty oath.
- jgalt212 2y ago[flagged]
- dfxm12 2y agoWhy do you think this?
- jgalt212 2y agoBecause it's a transcation and there are two parties to the transaction. And for these transaction to occur in a repeated fashion neither side should feel they are being taken advantage of.
- standardUser 2y agoI don't think anyone feels taken advantage of. I think most people involved in academia value the complexities and jagged edges that come with an international student body. And the outcome - the preeminent education system in the world that keeps the US at the cutting edge of science and technology and has for nearly a hundred years - is indisputable.
- tashi 2y agoOne of the problems with trying to apply the Objectivist view to a situation like this is that often experts need to tell their patrons true things they don't want to hear. I'll leave any sociological or economic examples aside and say, to pick a couple that Ayn Rand herself didn't believe, that smoking causes cancer and air pollution is bad for the human body. If the patron doesn't want to believe this new fact they have been told, they might feel taken advantage of. They might feel that if a science department got public funding only to come to those conclusions, that the scientists should be fired.
- low_tech_love 2y agoA government is not a person who “feels” anything. Anyone who is in the USA for work/study has agreed to a contract, and there is nothing in that contract that requires intelectual subservience. If the USA government finds that the person is not doing their part according to the contract, which would mean being taken advantage of, they are more than welcome to act on that. This has nothing to do with what’s happening. You’re applying social norms that exist between humans, based on feelings, to a completely different relationship that includes no feelings at all. Would you like another government, with another political direction opposed to yours, to start asking you for appreciation?
- croes 2y agoThe government pays to get good universities which attract smart foreign who come to the US to study on these universities. Maybe the government should appreciate them not the other way around.
- jgalt212 2y agoYeah, I agree. The government appreciates, or should appreciate, the good uses its taxpayers' money is put towards. As to the other intractables above, appreciation and loyalty are very far from the same thing.
- mlinhares 2y agoI don't think it ever crosses these people's minds that some other country PAID FOR these people's education and they are now USING that education elsewhere for the profit of a foreign nation. All my high school and college education was at free schools/colleges in my home country, paid for by taxpayer money. All incredibly competitive places, with very high maintenance costs compared to the other colleges around, not a single US dollar was invested in me and here I am paying taxes and improving this place. The bargain the US gets from this is one of the biggest reasons it can do what it does, the investments it makes are compounded by the work of the people that it never put a dime for.
- skeaker 2y agoBeing paid what you're owed doesn't necessitate gratitude.
- jgalt212 2y ago[flagged]
- margalabargala 2y agoFor those who disagree with this, when was the last time you thanked your boss for your paycheck?
- jgalt212 2y agoBut, I bet many have thanked their boss for the opportunity given to them. This statement of gratitude is a tacit acknowledgement of salary.
- ath3nd 2y ago> But, I bet many have thanked their boss for the opportunity given to them. I literally don't know anybody who has any desire of expressing gratitude to their boss for the "opportunity" given to them. What kind of servile lapdogs do consider their work an "opportunity"? How about the bosses realize that without workers, their businesses will implode, and thank their workers for the "opportunity" to have a working business instead? Jobs are an exchange of a worker's time and skills for a wage. If you expect workers with a touch servility on top, I suggest you go back to the medieval times of lords and servants.
- 47282847 2y agoI agree in general with your points, except that I believe both parties “should“ (can) be grateful for each other and in that acknowledge they both need each other. It’s nice for wellbeing to be grateful for everything good that happens, it doesn’t necessarily imply servitude.
- humanpotato 2y agoConsider that any competent manager will value polite debate and constructive criticism far more than the empty words of "yes" men. Guess which category "reasonable ... consideration and appreciation" falls into. Put another way, if you read North Korean state media, you will find that they always have a reasonable level of consideration and appreciation for their government.
- hekette 2y agoIt is their right to be there. They do not have to show appreciation and the current government should never be one deciding these what is appreciation. Bowing to authority is exactly the opposite of what education is about.
- kristjansson 2y agoWhat about e.g. writing an op-ed expressing one's views conveys a lack of consideration and appreciation?