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I don’t know where you live, but I charge my EV using two phase 240V outlet (same as the ones used by washing machine) and it takes about 8 hours to charge from

by tonmoy 2y ago

I don’t know where you live, but I charge my EV using two phase 240V outlet (same as the ones used by washing machine) and it takes about 8 hours to charge from 30% to full, which is more than enough for 99% of my use cases

mitthrowaway2 2y ago
Unfortunately, a lot of people here who live in apartments have to wait for any electricity to be added to the parking lot at all, even 120V is generally unavailable. It's definitely restricting adoption.
- onlyrealcuzzo 2y ago
  Yes, but also - people who live in apartments and condos are the most likely not to even own a car in the first place, and if they do, drive it the least. The people who are doing the most driving are the suburban folks living in houses with big yards and driving 30 miles into work every day. And that's a larger chunk of the total population in the US than the apartment dwellers who own cars. Your metro may vary. Rome wasn't built in a day. Charging will come to newer apartments, and then older apartments.
  - bluGill 2y ago
    In my metro there are a lot of apartments in the suburbs that are just as car dependent as any single family house. Some have bus service, but it is the service for those who after 5 DWIs can't get someone else to drive them, not the fast frequent service that makes people willing to take the bus if they have any other option.
    - vel0city 2y ago
      Sure, same situation here. Lots of apartments in mostly car dependent areas. But there's still a lot of single-family homes, yes? Like, the majority of people living in those areas are in single-family homes? So probably the majority of car owners?
      - bluGill 2y ago
        30% in my suburb (10 years ago there were farms between it and the city so this is new) live in apartments of some sort. Majority is single family, but still a significant enough number in something else.
        vel0city 2y ago
        So 70% live in probably new build single family construction, likely with 200A electrical service in their garage. Those people can probably easily swap to an EV, outside other complications. Easily 50%+ of households around you could probably have an EV. And yet people act like it's only some tiny miniscule slice of the population which could easily change to an EV.
        bluGill 2y ago
        Maybe people otherwise like me, but I've long ago realized for most people an EV with decent range (the leaf is not quite there) would work for most people. However such do not exist, if you buy new there are few options, if you are drive used cars you are stuck with what you can find.
        onlyrealcuzzo 2y ago
        So 70% - and this is a very atypical suburb.
        vel0city 2y ago
        It doesn't sound incredibly atypical. It actually sounds pretty typical to the areas I know, which are several of the largest metro areas in the US.
        bluGill 2y ago
        The atypical part is only that this is an all new one - suburbs have existed for more than 100 years now, so there are a lot of older houses in the suburbs, many of them don't have 200 amp service (though the owners are upgrading them as they as things like AC that need more power and were not considered in the original design)
vel0city 2y ago
Technically not two-phase, it is just both sides of the single phase. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmUoZh3Hq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmUoZh3Hq4

by tonmoy 2y ago

mitthrowaway2 2y ago

Unfortunately, a lot of people here who live in apartments have to wait for any electricity to be added to the parking lot at all, even 120V is generally unavailable. It's definitely restricting adoption.

onlyrealcuzzo 2y ago
Yes, but also - people who live in apartments and condos are the most likely not to even own a car in the first place, and if they do, drive it the least. The people who are doing the most driving are the suburban folks living in houses with big yards and driving 30 miles into work every day. And that's a larger chunk of the total population in the US than the apartment dwellers who own cars. Your metro may vary. Rome wasn't built in a day. Charging will come to newer apartments, and then older apartments.
- bluGill 2y ago
  In my metro there are a lot of apartments in the suburbs that are just as car dependent as any single family house. Some have bus service, but it is the service for those who after 5 DWIs can't get someone else to drive them, not the fast frequent service that makes people willing to take the bus if they have any other option.
  - vel0city 2y ago
    Sure, same situation here. Lots of apartments in mostly car dependent areas. But there's still a lot of single-family homes, yes? Like, the majority of people living in those areas are in single-family homes? So probably the majority of car owners?
    - bluGill 2y ago
      30% in my suburb (10 years ago there were farms between it and the city so this is new) live in apartments of some sort. Majority is single family, but still a significant enough number in something else.
      - vel0city 2y ago
        So 70% live in probably new build single family construction, likely with 200A electrical service in their garage. Those people can probably easily swap to an EV, outside other complications. Easily 50%+ of households around you could probably have an EV. And yet people act like it's only some tiny miniscule slice of the population which could easily change to an EV.
        bluGill 2y ago
        Maybe people otherwise like me, but I've long ago realized for most people an EV with decent range (the leaf is not quite there) would work for most people. However such do not exist, if you buy new there are few options, if you are drive used cars you are stuck with what you can find.
        onlyrealcuzzo 2y ago
        So 70% - and this is a very atypical suburb.
        vel0city 2y ago
        It doesn't sound incredibly atypical. It actually sounds pretty typical to the areas I know, which are several of the largest metro areas in the US.
        bluGill 2y ago
        The atypical part is only that this is an all new one - suburbs have existed for more than 100 years now, so there are a lot of older houses in the suburbs, many of them don't have 200 amp service (though the owners are upgrading them as they as things like AC that need more power and were not considered in the original design)

vel0city 2y ago

Technically not two-phase, it is just both sides of the single phase. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmUoZh3Hq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMmUoZh3Hq4