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Columbia has an endowment that stands (pre- Liberation Day) at 15 billion dollars. They kowtowed to some of the militant Zionist interests involved in that end

by mapt 2y ago

Columbia has an endowment that stands (pre- Liberation Day) at 15 billion dollars. They kowtowed to some of the militant Zionist interests involved in that endowment in order to attain a fractionally higher return, and betrayed their students. They kowtowed to the fascist administration on the grounds that it was threatening 400 million dollars in grants, and betrayed their students to the point of facilitating a project to unilaterally deport many of them based on Constitutionally protected quasi-private speech. At this point I don't think they want or deserve to be called a university. Let's go with "Tax-exempt investment fund".

bko 2y ago
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- sbochins 2y ago
  There is an ongoing genocide in Gaza and genocidal language is commonplace in Zionist discourse. If there are cases of hate speech on the pro Palestinian side, they pale in comparison to speech from the other side. Regardless we shouldn’t be rounding up and imprisoning folks if they disagree with your politics. This is what is getting lost in this specific case.
  - bko 2y ago
    I don't remember the pro single state pro Israel protest. Don't know what it has to do with the question
  - trustinmenowpls 2y ago
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- viccis 2y ago
  >Do you think calling for the genocide of Jews I'm guessing the motte associated with this particular bailey won't be nearly as clear in its violation of such codes.
  - trustinmenowpls 2y ago
    If someone said they wanted another kistallnacht while holding torches and refusing to allow jews to walk down the street, would you know what they meant? Are they just talking about breaking some glass at a jewish wedding? Maybe they just want to go to one of those rage rooms? Just so we're clear, people are still losing their minds when someone "finds" a noose-like knot in the vicinity. There is no baily here.
    - viccis 2y ago
      You're still stuck on the bailey. Let's see the motte (in this case, some evidence of a pattern of calling for genocide of Jews at Columbia)
      - starik36 2y ago
        How about outright harassment of Jewish students at Columbia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_at_Columbia_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_at_Columbia_Unive... Does that qualify? No? Now replace Jewish with African American. Is that still OK in your book?
        viccis 2y ago
        There was no significant harassment, and what harassment there was was a fraction compared to the harassment of Palestinian supports by others (including Jewish students and faculty). Even the article you posted points out that it's bunk at the top lol
        starik36 2y ago
        Oh? No harassment. Well shoot, we should let the Jewish students know. Jewish Students Sheltered Inside College Library During Protest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFbKViNrMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFbKViNrMo 35 percent of of Jewish students say there has been violence or acts of hate targeting Jews on their campus https://www.hillel.org/more-than-one-third-of-jewish-college-students-are-hiding-their-jewish-identity-on-campus-new-hillel-international-poll-finds/ https://www.hillel.org/more-than-one-third-of-jewish-college... But sure, all good. The apologist for the violent maniacs says it's all good. So then it must be good.
xhkkffbf 2y ago
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- mapt 2y ago
  A significant number of Columbia students are Jewish and were largely protesting the genocide. Almost the entirety of this movement had zero issue with Jews, only with the actions of Israel and Zionism. A significant number of outside agitators were older Jewish Zionists or (often) Zionist evangelicals who lived within driving distance and wanted to start a fight. 50 year old drunk men wearing Israeli flags and pushing into the crowd in groups. I watched this narrative get created and promoted without any evidence; Video after video showed peaceful and surprisingly media-savvy students (I mean, it is Columbia). Every politician and most media organizations taking direct input from Israeli government officials or AIPAC. On MSNBC and CNN we heard voice after voice after voice pronouncing expert opinions on the shame of this protest/terrorism in an Israeli accent. Administration officials trying to expel anybody caught on camera who was identifiable. While the bombs dropped on Gaza. I can't say with any confidence that there was absolutely zero conflict, but the absolute confidence that every figure of authority immediately brought to bear on the subject of all Jews being purged by Hamas terrorists from Columbia and needing the National Guard to be called out to protect them? It was beyond the pale. All of the video I watched of actual Zionist students (or student-aged people) had them victim-posing for social media after throwing themselves into the protest and being largely ignored.
  - adultSwim 2y ago
    It bothers me how frequently these Jewish students and organizations are erased.
- salt-thrower 2y ago
  Your argument is so out of touch I can only assume it’s being made in bad faith. Many of the pro-Palestinian protesters are also Jewish. Equating all Jewish people with Israel and Zionism is insidious and misleading.
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dluan 2y ago
And specifically the ivy league schools and "elite" ones are cementing their reputation among younger students and soon to be college applicants. They are paying attention. I've seen several boycotts of Columbia and other universities from students.
- trustinmenowpls 2y ago
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bko 2y ago

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sbochins 2y ago
There is an ongoing genocide in Gaza and genocidal language is commonplace in Zionist discourse. If there are cases of hate speech on the pro Palestinian side, they pale in comparison to speech from the other side. Regardless we shouldn’t be rounding up and imprisoning folks if they disagree with your politics. This is what is getting lost in this specific case.
- bko 2y ago
  I don't remember the pro single state pro Israel protest. Don't know what it has to do with the question
- trustinmenowpls 2y ago
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viccis 2y ago
>Do you think calling for the genocide of Jews I'm guessing the motte associated with this particular bailey won't be nearly as clear in its violation of such codes.
- trustinmenowpls 2y ago
  If someone said they wanted another kistallnacht while holding torches and refusing to allow jews to walk down the street, would you know what they meant? Are they just talking about breaking some glass at a jewish wedding? Maybe they just want to go to one of those rage rooms? Just so we're clear, people are still losing their minds when someone "finds" a noose-like knot in the vicinity. There is no baily here.
  - viccis 2y ago
    You're still stuck on the bailey. Let's see the motte (in this case, some evidence of a pattern of calling for genocide of Jews at Columbia)
    - starik36 2y ago
      How about outright harassment of Jewish students at Columbia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_at_Columbia_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_at_Columbia_Unive... Does that qualify? No? Now replace Jewish with African American. Is that still OK in your book?
      - viccis 2y ago
        There was no significant harassment, and what harassment there was was a fraction compared to the harassment of Palestinian supports by others (including Jewish students and faculty). Even the article you posted points out that it's bunk at the top lol
        starik36 2y ago
        Oh? No harassment. Well shoot, we should let the Jewish students know. Jewish Students Sheltered Inside College Library During Protest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFbKViNrMo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFbKViNrMo 35 percent of of Jewish students say there has been violence or acts of hate targeting Jews on their campus https://www.hillel.org/more-than-one-third-of-jewish-college-students-are-hiding-their-jewish-identity-on-campus-new-hillel-international-poll-finds/ https://www.hillel.org/more-than-one-third-of-jewish-college... But sure, all good. The apologist for the violent maniacs says it's all good. So then it must be good.

xhkkffbf 2y ago

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mapt 2y ago
A significant number of Columbia students are Jewish and were largely protesting the genocide. Almost the entirety of this movement had zero issue with Jews, only with the actions of Israel and Zionism. A significant number of outside agitators were older Jewish Zionists or (often) Zionist evangelicals who lived within driving distance and wanted to start a fight. 50 year old drunk men wearing Israeli flags and pushing into the crowd in groups. I watched this narrative get created and promoted without any evidence; Video after video showed peaceful and surprisingly media-savvy students (I mean, it is Columbia). Every politician and most media organizations taking direct input from Israeli government officials or AIPAC. On MSNBC and CNN we heard voice after voice after voice pronouncing expert opinions on the shame of this protest/terrorism in an Israeli accent. Administration officials trying to expel anybody caught on camera who was identifiable. While the bombs dropped on Gaza. I can't say with any confidence that there was absolutely zero conflict, but the absolute confidence that every figure of authority immediately brought to bear on the subject of all Jews being purged by Hamas terrorists from Columbia and needing the National Guard to be called out to protect them? It was beyond the pale. All of the video I watched of actual Zionist students (or student-aged people) had them victim-posing for social media after throwing themselves into the protest and being largely ignored.
- adultSwim 2y ago
  It bothers me how frequently these Jewish students and organizations are erased.
salt-thrower 2y ago
Your argument is so out of touch I can only assume it’s being made in bad faith. Many of the pro-Palestinian protesters are also Jewish. Equating all Jewish people with Israel and Zionism is insidious and misleading.
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dluan 2y ago

And specifically the ivy league schools and "elite" ones are cementing their reputation among younger students and soon to be college applicants. They are paying attention. I've seen several boycotts of Columbia and other universities from students.

trustinmenowpls 2y ago
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