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They shouldn't be surprised. Stuff like this is exactly what they said they were going to do and ~70 million voted for it and ~90 million weren't compelled enou

They shouldn't be surprised. Stuff like this is exactly what they said they were going to do and ~70 million voted for it and ~90 million weren't compelled enough to vote for the other viable choice or choices

palmotea 2y ago
> They shouldn't be surprised. Stuff like this is exactly what they said they were going to do and ~70 million voted for it and ~90 million weren't compelled enough to vote for the other viable choice or choices But the problem is this was one of a million facets to the choice, and people were only able to vote on the whole package. Personally, I blame the Democrats, because they knew what the Republicans "said they were going to do" and pretty much only used it for uninspired attack ad fodder. They should have been focusing on fixing the shit that causes voters to disapprove of them: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/5224072-democrats-low-approval-rating/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/5224072-de... > The Democratic Party’s approval rating remains at a low point, according to a new Harvard CAPS/Harris poll released to The Hill on Monday. > ... > “Democrats continue to be seen as out of the mainstream. Their ratings are at record lows and, they will have real problems in the midterms if they can’t lift themselves up from this nadir,” said Mark Penn, the co-director of the poll. > The latest polling matches similarly dismal numbers for Democrats found in other surveys. It takes a special level of awfulness to lose to Trump worse than the first time.
- kaligraph_y 2y ago
  This has been my take throughout the last 2 losses. There's a massive divide between what the vast majority of Americans need/want to change and what the top Democrats have been pushing for the past 30 years. I mean, it's not to the level of a "death-cult" status that has pervaded the Republican mindset, but really are they that far off? > $1 Bil. was spent on the last presidential election cycle and for what? All they had to do was drop the corporate puppet-masters and speak to the general population with some sensible plans for getting America back to a place where the general population can live decent lives.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  I really think the correct attribution is the Democrats are the conservative party and the Republicans are the right wing party. The Democrats value formalism, institutions, status quo, rules, procedures, convention, incrementalism, stability ... They reject populism or anything radical or fundamentally different. The also court various flavors of conservatives and routinely claim they aren't conservative enough when they lose and they're key to victory is tacking more conservative. Harris ran a campaign that was anti immigration and pro police. Gavin Newsom has a podcast with guests like Steve Bannon, Michael Savage and Charlie Kirk. If an alien landed and tried to bucket parties based on current behavior, the Democrats would be conservative
- QuantumGood 2y ago
  "Personally, I blame the Democrats" amazing how history repeats itself everytime one party starts destroying things: The other side is blamed. Sure, "both sides" have responsibility, but this really attempts to shift the focus inappropriately. "Blame" is such a funny concept, as if it's always floating nearby, looking to attach itself to something.

palmotea 2y ago

> They shouldn't be surprised. Stuff like this is exactly what they said they were going to do and ~70 million voted for it and ~90 million weren't compelled enough to vote for the other viable choice or choices But the problem is this was one of a million facets to the choice, and people were only able to vote on the whole package. Personally, I blame the Democrats, because they knew what the Republicans "said they were going to do" and pretty much only used it for uninspired attack ad fodder. They should have been focusing on fixing the shit that causes voters to disapprove of them: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/5224072-democrats-low-approval-rating/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/5224072-de... > The Democratic Party’s approval rating remains at a low point, according to a new Harvard CAPS/Harris poll released to The Hill on Monday. > ... > “Democrats continue to be seen as out of the mainstream. Their ratings are at record lows and, they will have real problems in the midterms if they can’t lift themselves up from this nadir,” said Mark Penn, the co-director of the poll. > The latest polling matches similarly dismal numbers for Democrats found in other surveys. It takes a special level of awfulness to lose to Trump worse than the first time.

kaligraph_y 2y ago
This has been my take throughout the last 2 losses. There's a massive divide between what the vast majority of Americans need/want to change and what the top Democrats have been pushing for the past 30 years. I mean, it's not to the level of a "death-cult" status that has pervaded the Republican mindset, but really are they that far off? > $1 Bil. was spent on the last presidential election cycle and for what? All they had to do was drop the corporate puppet-masters and speak to the general population with some sensible plans for getting America back to a place where the general population can live decent lives.
kristopolous 2y ago
I really think the correct attribution is the Democrats are the conservative party and the Republicans are the right wing party. The Democrats value formalism, institutions, status quo, rules, procedures, convention, incrementalism, stability ... They reject populism or anything radical or fundamentally different. The also court various flavors of conservatives and routinely claim they aren't conservative enough when they lose and they're key to victory is tacking more conservative. Harris ran a campaign that was anti immigration and pro police. Gavin Newsom has a podcast with guests like Steve Bannon, Michael Savage and Charlie Kirk. If an alien landed and tried to bucket parties based on current behavior, the Democrats would be conservative
QuantumGood 2y ago
"Personally, I blame the Democrats" amazing how history repeats itself everytime one party starts destroying things: The other side is blamed. Sure, "both sides" have responsibility, but this really attempts to shift the focus inappropriately. "Blame" is such a funny concept, as if it's always floating nearby, looking to attach itself to something.