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About half the country think this is an amazing job and on the right track! It's an absolute death cult.

damnesian 2y ago
I am related to people who voted for it, and none of them are what I'd call enthusiastic. But they are not smart enough to imagine a way out of their little boxes.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  Me too. They're addicted to cable news that gives endless praise with animations of waving flags. It's clearly just non-stop propaganda. The lying some people do to sell a couple ads...
- ilikecakeandpie 2y ago
  They shouldn't be surprised. Stuff like this is exactly what they said they were going to do and ~70 million voted for it and ~90 million weren't compelled enough to vote for the other viable choice or choices
  - palmotea 2y ago
    > They shouldn't be surprised. Stuff like this is exactly what they said they were going to do and ~70 million voted for it and ~90 million weren't compelled enough to vote for the other viable choice or choices But the problem is this was one of a million facets to the choice, and people were only able to vote on the whole package. Personally, I blame the Democrats, because they knew what the Republicans "said they were going to do" and pretty much only used it for uninspired attack ad fodder. They should have been focusing on fixing the shit that causes voters to disapprove of them: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/5224072-democrats-low-approval-rating/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/5224072-de... > The Democratic Party’s approval rating remains at a low point, according to a new Harvard CAPS/Harris poll released to The Hill on Monday. > ... > “Democrats continue to be seen as out of the mainstream. Their ratings are at record lows and, they will have real problems in the midterms if they can’t lift themselves up from this nadir,” said Mark Penn, the co-director of the poll. > The latest polling matches similarly dismal numbers for Democrats found in other surveys. It takes a special level of awfulness to lose to Trump worse than the first time.
    - kaligraph_y 2y ago
      This has been my take throughout the last 2 losses. There's a massive divide between what the vast majority of Americans need/want to change and what the top Democrats have been pushing for the past 30 years. I mean, it's not to the level of a "death-cult" status that has pervaded the Republican mindset, but really are they that far off? > $1 Bil. was spent on the last presidential election cycle and for what? All they had to do was drop the corporate puppet-masters and speak to the general population with some sensible plans for getting America back to a place where the general population can live decent lives.
    - kristopolous 2y ago
      I really think the correct attribution is the Democrats are the conservative party and the Republicans are the right wing party. The Democrats value formalism, institutions, status quo, rules, procedures, convention, incrementalism, stability ... They reject populism or anything radical or fundamentally different. The also court various flavors of conservatives and routinely claim they aren't conservative enough when they lose and they're key to victory is tacking more conservative. Harris ran a campaign that was anti immigration and pro police. Gavin Newsom has a podcast with guests like Steve Bannon, Michael Savage and Charlie Kirk. If an alien landed and tried to bucket parties based on current behavior, the Democrats would be conservative
    - QuantumGood 2y ago
      "Personally, I blame the Democrats" amazing how history repeats itself everytime one party starts destroying things: The other side is blamed. Sure, "both sides" have responsibility, but this really attempts to shift the focus inappropriately. "Blame" is such a funny concept, as if it's always floating nearby, looking to attach itself to something.
- mgdev 2y ago
  > But they are not smart enough to imagine a way out of their little boxes. Do they know this is what you think of them? How effective has this attitude been in helping you understand their perspective?
- olcragg 2y ago
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SkyeCA 2y ago
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- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  The wink makes me feel like you think that's a joke but it really isn't. "Forcing the End" is a common endpoint for cults, where they get tired of their doomsday predictions not coming true and decide the path forward is making them true, and it seems Evangelicals are hitting that point.
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    Groups with these ideologies typically leave power only after everything is reduced to smoldering collapsed ruin. It's time to seriously think about leaving. This isn't going to be corrected in my lifetime.
    - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
      Given this particular cult has access to one of the major stocks of nukes on this planet, I'm not sure "leaving" is a realistic option unless you have a timeshare on Mars.
      - kristopolous 2y ago
        It's part of the calculus. NZ/AU seems safe.
        alabastervlog 2y ago
        There's a reason all the billionaires built their hidey-holes in NZ and bought citizenship. Stable liberal democracy that probably won't seize all their shit, relatively rich, not so tiny that there's little to do, really good natural environments, not likely to turn totally awful under climate change, really hard for climate or other refugees to reach, out-of-the-way and non-threatening enough that it's unlikely to be attacked by anyone or put entirely under the thumb of a great power for the next century or so, at least. I can't think of a single other country that even comes close to matching that list of benefits. Only major downside is Christmas in Summer.
aaron695 2y ago
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I am related to people who voted for it, and none of them are what I'd call enthusiastic. But they are not smart enough to imagine a way out of their little boxes.

kristopolous 2y ago
Me too. They're addicted to cable news that gives endless praise with animations of waving flags. It's clearly just non-stop propaganda. The lying some people do to sell a couple ads...
ilikecakeandpie 2y ago
They shouldn't be surprised. Stuff like this is exactly what they said they were going to do and ~70 million voted for it and ~90 million weren't compelled enough to vote for the other viable choice or choices
- palmotea 2y ago
  > They shouldn't be surprised. Stuff like this is exactly what they said they were going to do and ~70 million voted for it and ~90 million weren't compelled enough to vote for the other viable choice or choices But the problem is this was one of a million facets to the choice, and people were only able to vote on the whole package. Personally, I blame the Democrats, because they knew what the Republicans "said they were going to do" and pretty much only used it for uninspired attack ad fodder. They should have been focusing on fixing the shit that causes voters to disapprove of them: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/5224072-democrats-low-approval-rating/ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/5224072-de... > The Democratic Party’s approval rating remains at a low point, according to a new Harvard CAPS/Harris poll released to The Hill on Monday. > ... > “Democrats continue to be seen as out of the mainstream. Their ratings are at record lows and, they will have real problems in the midterms if they can’t lift themselves up from this nadir,” said Mark Penn, the co-director of the poll. > The latest polling matches similarly dismal numbers for Democrats found in other surveys. It takes a special level of awfulness to lose to Trump worse than the first time.
  - kaligraph_y 2y ago
    This has been my take throughout the last 2 losses. There's a massive divide between what the vast majority of Americans need/want to change and what the top Democrats have been pushing for the past 30 years. I mean, it's not to the level of a "death-cult" status that has pervaded the Republican mindset, but really are they that far off? > $1 Bil. was spent on the last presidential election cycle and for what? All they had to do was drop the corporate puppet-masters and speak to the general population with some sensible plans for getting America back to a place where the general population can live decent lives.
  - kristopolous 2y ago
    I really think the correct attribution is the Democrats are the conservative party and the Republicans are the right wing party. The Democrats value formalism, institutions, status quo, rules, procedures, convention, incrementalism, stability ... They reject populism or anything radical or fundamentally different. The also court various flavors of conservatives and routinely claim they aren't conservative enough when they lose and they're key to victory is tacking more conservative. Harris ran a campaign that was anti immigration and pro police. Gavin Newsom has a podcast with guests like Steve Bannon, Michael Savage and Charlie Kirk. If an alien landed and tried to bucket parties based on current behavior, the Democrats would be conservative
  - QuantumGood 2y ago
    "Personally, I blame the Democrats" amazing how history repeats itself everytime one party starts destroying things: The other side is blamed. Sure, "both sides" have responsibility, but this really attempts to shift the focus inappropriately. "Blame" is such a funny concept, as if it's always floating nearby, looking to attach itself to something.
mgdev 2y ago
> But they are not smart enough to imagine a way out of their little boxes. Do they know this is what you think of them? How effective has this attitude been in helping you understand their perspective?
olcragg 2y ago
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SkyeCA 2y ago

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ToucanLoucan 2y ago
The wink makes me feel like you think that's a joke but it really isn't. "Forcing the End" is a common endpoint for cults, where they get tired of their doomsday predictions not coming true and decide the path forward is making them true, and it seems Evangelicals are hitting that point.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  Groups with these ideologies typically leave power only after everything is reduced to smoldering collapsed ruin. It's time to seriously think about leaving. This isn't going to be corrected in my lifetime.
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    Given this particular cult has access to one of the major stocks of nukes on this planet, I'm not sure "leaving" is a realistic option unless you have a timeshare on Mars.
    - kristopolous 2y ago
      It's part of the calculus. NZ/AU seems safe.
      - alabastervlog 2y ago
        There's a reason all the billionaires built their hidey-holes in NZ and bought citizenship. Stable liberal democracy that probably won't seize all their shit, relatively rich, not so tiny that there's little to do, really good natural environments, not likely to turn totally awful under climate change, really hard for climate or other refugees to reach, out-of-the-way and non-threatening enough that it's unlikely to be attacked by anyone or put entirely under the thumb of a great power for the next century or so, at least. I can't think of a single other country that even comes close to matching that list of benefits. Only major downside is Christmas in Summer.

aaron695 2y ago

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