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it really is fascinating how the rich people on the Right in the US consider factory work, by white men, who are not them (they get to keep their laptop jobs of

it really is fascinating how the rich people on the Right in the US consider factory work, by white men, who are not them (they get to keep their laptop jobs of course) is about the only valid thing for other people to be doing, and will absolutely upend the entire world to achieve this.

IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago
Your message implies there is other wowork "white men" are currently doing (but shouldn't?). What are the invalid things they seem to be doing today?
- watwut 2y ago
  The unemployment is very low, so yes they are doing other stuff.
  - IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago
    But what? Your argument was that they (rich white men) are reprehensible for desiring others to be doing something like factory work, instead of "that". You say "that" is work, and not sitting around unemployed. Citing a statistic. Ok lets proceed with that. So which work is "that"?
    - happytoexplain 2y ago
      The GP didn't specify the race of the rich people, and the person you're replying to isn't the GP. Apart from that, it's unclear why you're asking for examples of work that isn't factory work.
    - watwut 2y ago
      Overall unemployment rate was around 4%, which is quite low. If you are personally interested in what the exact breakdown of positions is, then I suggest you head to the https://www.bls.gov/ https://www.bls.gov/ or other site that collect these stats and check it out. Unemployment was not even the issue in elections. It was inflation - buying power.
      - salawat 2y ago
        Unemployment literally only tracks those interacting with State unemployment insurance. People out of work who aren't interfacing with said established monitoring may as well not exist in the same manner as engine & cockpit shot planes in WWII. In short, citing unemployment is falling for the mother of all survivorship biases. If you're more interested in fake paperwork derived numbers than the actual world though, you do you then.
        jeffbee 2y ago
        That is not correct. You should close the tab on that shadowstats bullshit. BLS employment measures are calculated from the Current Population Survey and the Current Employment Statistics. CPS is a bimonthly survey of a rolling population of 60000 households. CES is a monthly survey of over 100000 businesses.
        readthenotes1 2y ago
        "Unemployment literally only tracks those interacting with State unemployment insurance. " They don't do it that way. I don't know if labor force participation measurements are more or less accurate from relying on survey data tho. https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
    - hakunin 2y ago
      I find that this short <3m video explains it well: https://x.com/Ark_Editing/status/1900522055038058803 https://x.com/Ark_Editing/status/1900522055038058803 (start at about 40s)
blitzar 2y ago
Its just an evolution of sending them "over the top" to charge at the enemy machine guns.
- lores 2y ago
  Officers died at nearly twice the rate of other ranks in WW1. I don't see Musk being the self-sacrificing kind.
  - blitzar 2y ago
    Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make
loudmax 2y ago
What the median right-of-center rich American wanted was tax cuts, with maybe a little bit of culture-war anti left stuff thrown in for spice. They are not pleased with abandoning the economic world order that Reagan did so much to promote. Sensibly designed, focused tariffs can be good for the economy, but that's not what's being rolled out. The people who actually want these blunt universal tariffs fall into three categories: * The uneducated * The deluded * The grifters The uneducated want tariffs because they think it will restore their purchasing power and middle-class status (which it won't). The deluded want tariffs because they've bought into the cult, and the reckoning with reality if they back out now is too painful to contemplate. The grifters actually benefit from selective exemptions based on political loyalty and having the money flowing into the right coffers.

IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago

Your message implies there is other wowork "white men" are currently doing (but shouldn't?). What are the invalid things they seem to be doing today?

watwut 2y ago
The unemployment is very low, so yes they are doing other stuff.
- IG_Semmelweiss 2y ago
  But what? Your argument was that they (rich white men) are reprehensible for desiring others to be doing something like factory work, instead of "that". You say "that" is work, and not sitting around unemployed. Citing a statistic. Ok lets proceed with that. So which work is "that"?
  - happytoexplain 2y ago
    The GP didn't specify the race of the rich people, and the person you're replying to isn't the GP. Apart from that, it's unclear why you're asking for examples of work that isn't factory work.
  - watwut 2y ago
    Overall unemployment rate was around 4%, which is quite low. If you are personally interested in what the exact breakdown of positions is, then I suggest you head to the https://www.bls.gov/ https://www.bls.gov/ or other site that collect these stats and check it out. Unemployment was not even the issue in elections. It was inflation - buying power.
    - salawat 2y ago
      Unemployment literally only tracks those interacting with State unemployment insurance. People out of work who aren't interfacing with said established monitoring may as well not exist in the same manner as engine & cockpit shot planes in WWII. In short, citing unemployment is falling for the mother of all survivorship biases. If you're more interested in fake paperwork derived numbers than the actual world though, you do you then.
      - jeffbee 2y ago
        That is not correct. You should close the tab on that shadowstats bullshit. BLS employment measures are calculated from the Current Population Survey and the Current Employment Statistics. CPS is a bimonthly survey of a rolling population of 60000 households. CES is a monthly survey of over 100000 businesses.
      - readthenotes1 2y ago
        "Unemployment literally only tracks those interacting with State unemployment insurance. " They don't do it that way. I don't know if labor force participation measurements are more or less accurate from relying on survey data tho. https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
  - hakunin 2y ago
    I find that this short <3m video explains it well: https://x.com/Ark_Editing/status/1900522055038058803 https://x.com/Ark_Editing/status/1900522055038058803 (start at about 40s)

blitzar 2y ago

Its just an evolution of sending them "over the top" to charge at the enemy machine guns.

lores 2y ago
Officers died at nearly twice the rate of other ranks in WW1. I don't see Musk being the self-sacrificing kind.
- blitzar 2y ago
  Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make

loudmax 2y ago

What the median right-of-center rich American wanted was tax cuts, with maybe a little bit of culture-war anti left stuff thrown in for spice. They are not pleased with abandoning the economic world order that Reagan did so much to promote. Sensibly designed, focused tariffs can be good for the economy, but that's not what's being rolled out. The people who actually want these blunt universal tariffs fall into three categories: * The uneducated * The deluded * The grifters The uneducated want tariffs because they think it will restore their purchasing power and middle-class status (which it won't). The deluded want tariffs because they've bought into the cult, and the reckoning with reality if they back out now is too painful to contemplate. The grifters actually benefit from selective exemptions based on political loyalty and having the money flowing into the right coffers.