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Time to train an "LLM" on it and have it reproduce the source code 1-to-1, so I can use it without a license!

by lionkor 2y ago

noname120 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work
- Imustaskforhelp 2y ago
  I think the line b/w derivative work and new work might be different. I mean if llms are trained on it ... and a lot of other things and then LLM can output the source code from a input ... then wouldn't it be open source / public domain
  - singpolyma3 2y ago
    No
- lionkor 2y ago
  It's only a copyright issue if I know what the original source code looks like. If I don't know what it looks like, and my autocomplete writes it, how could I possibly know it's stolen?
singpolyma3 2y ago
As if any court would accept this. Nice try
- yencabulator 2y ago
  OpenAI is basically betting the existence of the company on that. Meta is betting the existence of their Llama models on it.
  - foxygen 2y ago
    Except they have billions of dollars to make that bet.
  - singpolyma3 2y ago
    I don't think that's true. When chatgpt generates something that infringes (even on something not in the training data) it is still infringement and the output cannot be used by the user for anything they couldn't use the original for. Luckily it doesn't do that often under normal use
    - mirzap 2y ago
      But that's the point he tries to make. When you "teach" LLM with some knowledge, you teach it a set of patterns. It won't necessarily drop the code that infringes copyright. Say you load Gumroad code into Gemini Pro context and say something like: "Check this app. Analyze the implementation of feature XY... I need you to help me implement feature XY... but in Go". Then, you can recreate an entire platform that will look nothing like the original but will have the same features and open source it.
- mirzap 2y ago
  And how exactly are you going to prove derivative work?
hbn 2y ago
Open sourcing my local AI model that trains on this repo and codes an app based on it: cp -r gumroad not-gumroad
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Time to train an "LLM" on it and have it reproduce the source code 1-to-1, so I can use it without a license!

noname120 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work

Imustaskforhelp 2y ago
I think the line b/w derivative work and new work might be different. I mean if llms are trained on it ... and a lot of other things and then LLM can output the source code from a input ... then wouldn't it be open source / public domain
- singpolyma3 2y ago
  No
lionkor 2y ago
It's only a copyright issue if I know what the original source code looks like. If I don't know what it looks like, and my autocomplete writes it, how could I possibly know it's stolen?

singpolyma3 2y ago

As if any court would accept this. Nice try

yencabulator 2y ago
OpenAI is basically betting the existence of the company on that. Meta is betting the existence of their Llama models on it.
- foxygen 2y ago
  Except they have billions of dollars to make that bet.
- singpolyma3 2y ago
  I don't think that's true. When chatgpt generates something that infringes (even on something not in the training data) it is still infringement and the output cannot be used by the user for anything they couldn't use the original for. Luckily it doesn't do that often under normal use
  - mirzap 2y ago
    But that's the point he tries to make. When you "teach" LLM with some knowledge, you teach it a set of patterns. It won't necessarily drop the code that infringes copyright. Say you load Gumroad code into Gemini Pro context and say something like: "Check this app. Analyze the implementation of feature XY... I need you to help me implement feature XY... but in Go". Then, you can recreate an entire platform that will look nothing like the original but will have the same features and open source it.
mirzap 2y ago
And how exactly are you going to prove derivative work?

hbn 2y ago

Open sourcing my local AI model that trains on this repo and codes an app based on it: cp -r gumroad not-gumroad

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