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Not an american myself, and I've always disliked the excessive gun culture and pro gun lobbying in the USA... but damn, these pasts months, that second amendmen

Not an american myself, and I've always disliked the excessive gun culture and pro gun lobbying in the USA... but damn, these pasts months, that second amendment is suddenly looking extremely useful

andy_ppp 2y ago
How will you use your gun to protect yourself when the government is kidnapping people? They are starting to test this power with foreign students. If you think it won’t be anyone who disagrees with them eventually this whole thing looks exactly like the 1930s except technology can make this much much worse.
croes 2y ago
Not if the guns are in the hands of the MAGA
goatlover 2y ago
I wonder if California were to pass Calexit in response to this administration's ongoing actions, what happens to the military bases and personnel in the state? Last year's Civil War movie by Alex Garland showed California and Texas with their own military fighting the US government. I took it to mean the military units in those states seceded with the state, instead of remaining part of the US Armed Forces.
- bernb 2y ago
  Countries in general have a strong dislike for regions trying to become independent. There's just no way California will be able to become independent. Not sure about the US laws though, but in Europe there isn't even a legal framework for achieving something like this.
  - trilbyglens 2y ago
    Even if it came to war, it would be highly unlikely with a border as long and as undefendable as California has.
    - andy_ppp 2y ago
      Yeah, I assume you mean California couldn't defend itself from the rest of the US under a California exit.
      - trilbyglens 2y ago
        Yes, exactly. They basically have some mountains and a fairly large expanse of desert, but that's pretty much it, as far as geographical barriers go. And it is a very long border.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    > There's just no way California will be able to become independent. Not sure about the US laws though, but in Europe there isn't even a legal framework for achieving something like this. Even without a legal framework, it happens sometimes, through various means. Ireland used to be an integral part of the UK, say, Finland used to be part of (imperial) Russia, and the Baltic states were part of the Soviet Union.
watwut 2y ago
Except that the most armed ones are people pro aggression and pro authoritarianism. And it is always like that. The ones who benefit the most from armed society and those who have the least inhibitions to harm.
trilbyglens 2y ago
Also, modern wars are not at all one by guns but by missiles, tanks and intelligence, all the guns in the world will not help you when himars are falling on your house.

Not an american myself, and I've always disliked the excessive gun culture and pro gun lobbying in the USA... but damn, these pasts months, that second amendment is suddenly looking extremely useful

andy_ppp 2y ago

How will you use your gun to protect yourself when the government is kidnapping people? They are starting to test this power with foreign students. If you think it won’t be anyone who disagrees with them eventually this whole thing looks exactly like the 1930s except technology can make this much much worse.

croes 2y ago

Not if the guns are in the hands of the MAGA

goatlover 2y ago

I wonder if California were to pass Calexit in response to this administration's ongoing actions, what happens to the military bases and personnel in the state? Last year's Civil War movie by Alex Garland showed California and Texas with their own military fighting the US government. I took it to mean the military units in those states seceded with the state, instead of remaining part of the US Armed Forces.

bernb 2y ago
Countries in general have a strong dislike for regions trying to become independent. There's just no way California will be able to become independent. Not sure about the US laws though, but in Europe there isn't even a legal framework for achieving something like this.
- trilbyglens 2y ago
  Even if it came to war, it would be highly unlikely with a border as long and as undefendable as California has.
  - andy_ppp 2y ago
    Yeah, I assume you mean California couldn't defend itself from the rest of the US under a California exit.
    - trilbyglens 2y ago
      Yes, exactly. They basically have some mountains and a fairly large expanse of desert, but that's pretty much it, as far as geographical barriers go. And it is a very long border.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  > There's just no way California will be able to become independent. Not sure about the US laws though, but in Europe there isn't even a legal framework for achieving something like this. Even without a legal framework, it happens sometimes, through various means. Ireland used to be an integral part of the UK, say, Finland used to be part of (imperial) Russia, and the Baltic states were part of the Soviet Union.

watwut 2y ago

Except that the most armed ones are people pro aggression and pro authoritarianism. And it is always like that. The ones who benefit the most from armed society and those who have the least inhibitions to harm.

trilbyglens 2y ago

Also, modern wars are not at all one by guns but by missiles, tanks and intelligence, all the guns in the world will not help you when himars are falling on your house.