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If you don’t want your software used for things you don’t approve of, don’t give it away for free.

Jtsummers 2y ago
> If you don’t want your software used for things you don’t approve of, don’t give it away for free. They aren't stopping, or even trying to stop, Anduril from using it, though.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  So, why were they banned? The comments there don't really explain much.
  - tasuki 2y ago
    The Nix people don't want Anduril advertising on their forum. If you operated a forum, is there no company on earth, such that you wouldn't want them advertising on your forum?
    - dpedu 2y ago
      That's not what the moderator's message about the ban says though, is it? > The moderation team brought this thread to our attention as the latest example in an ongoing controversy in the community and they escalated the decision to us so that we can provide them clearer guidance for how to proceed going forward. Our moderation team has done an admirable job, but this controversy has escalated beyond the point where moderation actions alone can resolve this. > To that end, the Steering Committee is banning Anduril from recruiting on Discourse. Isn't this saying that the ban is because Anduril's job posts causes the community to respond in inappropriate or off-topic ways - an exemplified by the linked thread's comments on Greenland - and that the forum moderators can't clean it all up?
      - tadfisher 2y ago
        No, the post referring to prior controversies. This includes the exodus of a large number of long-term nixpkgs maintainers after undoing the ban of an Anduril employee.
        johnnyanmac 2y ago
        thank you, that was what I was asking about. I am genuinely out of the loop and don't know anything bout this NixOS forum.
    - tempaccount420 2y ago
      Why not just ban all advertisements instead of singling out one company?
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      >is there no company on earth, such that you wouldn't want them advertising on your forum? Do they spread hate? Have they cast harm on members of the forum? Otherwise, I don't see the issue. Unless this is a blanket ban on defend contractors. If it isn't, I simply see it as hypocritical. Especially since all the big FAANGs also all operate with the military in some capacity.
      - archagon 2y ago
        Anduril, as I recall, staunchly supports the current administration, which is vehemently anti-trans. (Also, Trump has nominated an Anduril executive to the role of Army Under Secretary in his administration.) If NixOS has prominent trans developers, that might be one reason to do it.
        johnnyanmac 2y ago
        Ahh, perfect. That's exactly the context I needed to piece this together. Thanks so much. I wans't aware of any of those factor.
      - boltzmann-brain 2y ago
        basically you're asking "did they hurt those people specifically? (never mind if they hurt other people)" this is morally very shortsighted and selective and is in opposition to most people's value systems.

> If you don’t want your software used for things you don’t approve of, don’t give it away for free. They aren't stopping, or even trying to stop, Anduril from using it, though.

johnnyanmac 2y ago
So, why were they banned? The comments there don't really explain much.
- tasuki 2y ago
  The Nix people don't want Anduril advertising on their forum. If you operated a forum, is there no company on earth, such that you wouldn't want them advertising on your forum?
  - dpedu 2y ago
    That's not what the moderator's message about the ban says though, is it? > The moderation team brought this thread to our attention as the latest example in an ongoing controversy in the community and they escalated the decision to us so that we can provide them clearer guidance for how to proceed going forward. Our moderation team has done an admirable job, but this controversy has escalated beyond the point where moderation actions alone can resolve this. > To that end, the Steering Committee is banning Anduril from recruiting on Discourse. Isn't this saying that the ban is because Anduril's job posts causes the community to respond in inappropriate or off-topic ways - an exemplified by the linked thread's comments on Greenland - and that the forum moderators can't clean it all up?
    - tadfisher 2y ago
      No, the post referring to prior controversies. This includes the exodus of a large number of long-term nixpkgs maintainers after undoing the ban of an Anduril employee.
      - johnnyanmac 2y ago
        thank you, that was what I was asking about. I am genuinely out of the loop and don't know anything bout this NixOS forum.
  - tempaccount420 2y ago
    Why not just ban all advertisements instead of singling out one company?
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    >is there no company on earth, such that you wouldn't want them advertising on your forum? Do they spread hate? Have they cast harm on members of the forum? Otherwise, I don't see the issue. Unless this is a blanket ban on defend contractors. If it isn't, I simply see it as hypocritical. Especially since all the big FAANGs also all operate with the military in some capacity.
    - archagon 2y ago
      Anduril, as I recall, staunchly supports the current administration, which is vehemently anti-trans. (Also, Trump has nominated an Anduril executive to the role of Army Under Secretary in his administration.) If NixOS has prominent trans developers, that might be one reason to do it.
      - johnnyanmac 2y ago
        Ahh, perfect. That's exactly the context I needed to piece this together. Thanks so much. I wans't aware of any of those factor.
    - boltzmann-brain 2y ago
      basically you're asking "did they hurt those people specifically? (never mind if they hurt other people)" this is morally very shortsighted and selective and is in opposition to most people's value systems.