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> Good, private corporations should not be allowed to leverage a public utility like this as their advertisement soapbox. It’s a jobs subforum. It exists liter

> Good, private corporations should not be allowed to leverage a public utility like this as their advertisement soapbox. It’s a jobs subforum. It exists literally for corporations to advertise job opportunities to relevant and likely interested communities.

bigyabai 2y ago
With all due respect, Anduril already knows how the NixOS forum feels about them. The purpose of this listing is to insult and inflame the community. In politics we call this bear-baiting.
- andrewflnr 2y ago
  Cool, but that's a very different argument from your previous: > private corporations should not be allowed to leverage a public utility like this as their advertisement soapbox Clearly it's not about corporations in general, it's this specific corporation.
  - davorak 2y ago
    It is a different argument, but they do not contradict one another and they(edit) does single out Anduril in the original post: > It has nothing to do with Anduril's business (which is a separate discussion) and everything to do with insulting a community they're dependent on. so it seems like it was always somewhat specific to Anduril and the claimed behavior of Anduril. Though I do not know what the insult that Anduril committed against the community.
    - andrewflnr 2y ago
      They don't contradict each other, and they don't have to. The generic "argument" is plainly wrong for the reason forrestthewoods pointed out: this is an official section of the forums dedicated to advertising by private companies. So why did they say that, instead of explaining what grave insult Anduril committed? I don't know, I guess they're having a strong emotional response to the situation.
      - davorak 2y ago
        > The generic "argument" is plainly wrong for the reason forrestthewoods pointed out: this is an official section of the forums dedicated to advertising by private companies. I would not say their argument is wrong. My best read is that they were arguing against and completely open job forum for corporations in general and for some kind of gatekeeping. It seemed an argument against current practices. I can not call that wrong, though I would want to see what they would want as an alternative.
        andrewflnr 2y ago
        An argument against the current practice where Anduril is banned? Come on. Your attempt to steelman them is admirable to an extent, but there's nothing there to save. They overreached and got called on it.
        davorak 2y ago
        > An argument against the current practice where Anduril is banned? An argument against Anduril being able to post in the first place before they were banned, or maybe all corporations. The current practice was to allow Anduril to post, when they made their post. The poster was celebrating the removal and the ban as a step in the right direction, but my impression is they would go farther. They seemed to revel in Anduril's ban which seemed at least to be schadenfreude, and they did not back some of what they said while doing so, but I think that can be separated from the rest of their argument/desires.
        andrewflnr 2y ago
        You're saying they advocated a policy that pre-emptively and specifically banned Anduril from posting in the jobs section of their forum before they posted a single thing? There's no evidence that that's justified or that the top level poster believed that. And it still wouldn't change that their swipe at corporate advertising was nonsense. Maybe they advocate for removing the job board entirely? They didn't say that though, even when forrestthewoods specifically mentioned it. Instead they moved the goal posts.
- theamk 2y ago
  I've had to dig internet archive to see original post [0], but I don't see anything particular inflammatory there? Pretty standard job description, and being in the "Jobs" section is right on-topic. The only potentially objectable part is this one: > Yes, Anduril is an American defense technology company. We build weapons systems for the United States and its allies. but I feel it's a useful good warning, given that a lot of people don't want to work on weapons, and it does not go overboard by saying it's the best or anything like this. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20250403111805/https://discourse.nixos.org/t/anduril-industries-electromagnetic-warfare-team-is-hiring/62569 https://web.archive.org/web/20250403111805/https://discourse...
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Yeah, I wish other studios would do that did me instead of hiding "LLM" or "we 3" down in the middle. They should know the vibes by now, don't wastr a call if we aren't aligned on the core mission. Still very confused though. Is there some history here everyone else knows but I don't?
- internetter 2y ago
  > With all due respect, Anduril already knows how the NixOS forum feels about them. The purpose of this listing is to insult and inflame the community. In politics we call this bear-baiting. Is there a history posted somewhere of Anduril's history with Nix? I feel like there is context I'm missing edit: https://save-nix-together.org/ https://save-nix-together.org/ & https://lwn.net/Articles/970824/ https://lwn.net/Articles/970824/.
  - wmf 2y ago
    Some people in the Nix community are opposed to Nix being used for weapons. Thus they're opposed to Anduril using Nix, sponsoring Nix conferences, or participating in the community in any way.
- forrestthewoods 2y ago
  Alternatively, the purpose was probably just to find some good candidates? I mean the first few replies had several interested people before the mods shut it down. No doubt certain vocal community members feel very strongly about Anduril. But I’m not sure it’s an actual majority.
- LightHugger 2y ago
  This is an irrational conclusion to leap to, it only makes sense if you're a weird extremist. the NixOS project did have purges and even ousted theirown founder though so i'm not surprised by this kind of comment appearing here assuming a corporation is aware of the insane nixOS drama train.

bigyabai 2y ago

With all due respect, Anduril already knows how the NixOS forum feels about them. The purpose of this listing is to insult and inflame the community. In politics we call this bear-baiting.

andrewflnr 2y ago
Cool, but that's a very different argument from your previous: > private corporations should not be allowed to leverage a public utility like this as their advertisement soapbox Clearly it's not about corporations in general, it's this specific corporation.
- davorak 2y ago
  It is a different argument, but they do not contradict one another and they(edit) does single out Anduril in the original post: > It has nothing to do with Anduril's business (which is a separate discussion) and everything to do with insulting a community they're dependent on. so it seems like it was always somewhat specific to Anduril and the claimed behavior of Anduril. Though I do not know what the insult that Anduril committed against the community.
  - andrewflnr 2y ago
    They don't contradict each other, and they don't have to. The generic "argument" is plainly wrong for the reason forrestthewoods pointed out: this is an official section of the forums dedicated to advertising by private companies. So why did they say that, instead of explaining what grave insult Anduril committed? I don't know, I guess they're having a strong emotional response to the situation.
    - davorak 2y ago
      > The generic "argument" is plainly wrong for the reason forrestthewoods pointed out: this is an official section of the forums dedicated to advertising by private companies. I would not say their argument is wrong. My best read is that they were arguing against and completely open job forum for corporations in general and for some kind of gatekeeping. It seemed an argument against current practices. I can not call that wrong, though I would want to see what they would want as an alternative.
      - andrewflnr 2y ago
        An argument against the current practice where Anduril is banned? Come on. Your attempt to steelman them is admirable to an extent, but there's nothing there to save. They overreached and got called on it.
        davorak 2y ago
        > An argument against the current practice where Anduril is banned? An argument against Anduril being able to post in the first place before they were banned, or maybe all corporations. The current practice was to allow Anduril to post, when they made their post. The poster was celebrating the removal and the ban as a step in the right direction, but my impression is they would go farther. They seemed to revel in Anduril's ban which seemed at least to be schadenfreude, and they did not back some of what they said while doing so, but I think that can be separated from the rest of their argument/desires.
        andrewflnr 2y ago
        You're saying they advocated a policy that pre-emptively and specifically banned Anduril from posting in the jobs section of their forum before they posted a single thing? There's no evidence that that's justified or that the top level poster believed that. And it still wouldn't change that their swipe at corporate advertising was nonsense. Maybe they advocate for removing the job board entirely? They didn't say that though, even when forrestthewoods specifically mentioned it. Instead they moved the goal posts.
theamk 2y ago
I've had to dig internet archive to see original post [0], but I don't see anything particular inflammatory there? Pretty standard job description, and being in the "Jobs" section is right on-topic. The only potentially objectable part is this one: > Yes, Anduril is an American defense technology company. We build weapons systems for the United States and its allies. but I feel it's a useful good warning, given that a lot of people don't want to work on weapons, and it does not go overboard by saying it's the best or anything like this. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20250403111805/https://discourse.nixos.org/t/anduril-industries-electromagnetic-warfare-team-is-hiring/62569 https://web.archive.org/web/20250403111805/https://discourse...
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  Yeah, I wish other studios would do that did me instead of hiding "LLM" or "we 3" down in the middle. They should know the vibes by now, don't wastr a call if we aren't aligned on the core mission. Still very confused though. Is there some history here everyone else knows but I don't?
internetter 2y ago
> With all due respect, Anduril already knows how the NixOS forum feels about them. The purpose of this listing is to insult and inflame the community. In politics we call this bear-baiting. Is there a history posted somewhere of Anduril's history with Nix? I feel like there is context I'm missing edit: https://save-nix-together.org/ https://save-nix-together.org/ & https://lwn.net/Articles/970824/ https://lwn.net/Articles/970824/.
- wmf 2y ago
  Some people in the Nix community are opposed to Nix being used for weapons. Thus they're opposed to Anduril using Nix, sponsoring Nix conferences, or participating in the community in any way.
forrestthewoods 2y ago
Alternatively, the purpose was probably just to find some good candidates? I mean the first few replies had several interested people before the mods shut it down. No doubt certain vocal community members feel very strongly about Anduril. But I’m not sure it’s an actual majority.
LightHugger 2y ago
This is an irrational conclusion to leap to, it only makes sense if you're a weird extremist. the NixOS project did have purges and even ousted theirown founder though so i'm not surprised by this kind of comment appearing here assuming a corporation is aware of the insane nixOS drama train.