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> What incentive does a company have to move a billion dollar facility to the USA when it will face reciprocal tariffs on any exported goods from the USA? Acce

> What incentive does a company have to move a billion dollar facility to the USA when it will face reciprocal tariffs on any exported goods from the USA? Access to the richest single market in the world ?

hnaccount_rng 2y ago
But that only works if you compare the US with other single countries. The EEA is similar to the US, China will be larger than the US, India will be larger than the US. Any of those combine and you loose by a factor of 2, etc
- rafaelmn 2y ago
  EEA, despite decades of EU efforts, is not a single market. China and India are nowhere near in terms of purchasing power or individual consumption and won't be for decades.
  - davedx 2y ago
    > EEA, despite decades of EU efforts, is not a single market. Huh? It really is. There's free trade and free movement of labour. How is it not a single market?
    - Jensson 2y ago
      Language barriers.
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    - rafaelmn 2y ago
      We have 24 official languages, regulations/legal systems vary from county to county and we don't even have a common currency. It's a lot better than having to deal with each county individually but still way more overhead than US.
      - hnaccount_rng 2y ago
        But we don’t have tariff regimes. That what a common market means. It doesn’t mean that you can sell the same product to everyone. It just means that you can move that product everywhere. And even the regulatory regime is overwhelmingly European (that’s why you get manuals in 20 languages)
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        feraloink 2y ago
        You don't have tariff regimes within the common market, that's true. You do have tariffs on goods that are imported from any country other than the 24 in the EEA.
      - bgnn 2y ago
        US is as scattered with ecery state having their own legislation.
        feraloink 2y ago
        I think interstate commerce law is intended to minimize inefficiencies due to that? I'm not sure.
      - davedx 2y ago
        You're being obtuse. With those points I could argue the US isn't a single market either! 1. California has 10 million Spanish speakers 2. Every state has its own regulations and legislation (and taxes!) But I don't think you would try to make that argument... right? Free movement of labour and goods make a single market. The other stuff is just normal operational costs of doing business. Also, and you know this: most of the EEA uses the Euro; the countries that don't are exceptions
        Imustaskforhelp 2y ago
        Yeah. You really made an exceptional comment that I don't think anybody can argue with! Kudos!
  - jorvi 2y ago
    Not currently in Germany. amazon.de click 28cm lightweight bike wheel click Order click. Well what do you know, you're a big fat liar :)
liuliu 2y ago
That's not going to be true after your facilities are built.
dns_snek 2y ago
Tariffs aren't bans. They still have access to the US market, US consumers are just forced to pay higher taxes for these goods.
- rafaelmn 2y ago
  It's government eating into your margins - unless there's no domestic substitutes.
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bgirard 2y ago
> Access to the richest single market in the world ? How long do they stay the richest single market in the world if rest of the global world are producing and trading at greater efficiency while the US are facing large short term supply disruptions, higher costs and reciprocal trading tariffs on their exports?
- saturn8601 2y ago
  The majority of countries have a negative birth rate. The US is doing "OK" (stopping immigration is why I put it in quotes). This is going to catch up to most countries very soon. The US will be in a small group of the ones last standing.
  - daveguy 2y ago
    I don't think quotes are the appropriate modifier to adjust for the damage from draconian and short-sighted immigration policy. Past tense use of the verb is probably more appropriate since countries are issuing do-not-travel warnings against the US (for the first time ever?). This administration is arrogant fools all the way down. I hope the messages sent by the electorate in 2026 and 2028 are loud enough and the brain drain is still reversible.
    - saturn8601 2y ago
      The point of the quotes was that we wont see the outcome of these decisions until years from now. Which is why today it is still OK but its like the car speeding and then jumping off the cliff. Will it reach the other side or fall to its doom? Too early to tell, we are still watching.
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  - reverendsteveii 2y ago
    How do you think economic turmoil is going to affect the birth rate in the US and how do you justify labelling a birth rate that's been below replacement for 18 years as "OK"?
Breza 2y ago
If these tariffs continue for 30 years, it's hard to know if we'd still be the largest single market in the world.

hnaccount_rng 2y ago

But that only works if you compare the US with other single countries. The EEA is similar to the US, China will be larger than the US, India will be larger than the US. Any of those combine and you loose by a factor of 2, etc

rafaelmn 2y ago
EEA, despite decades of EU efforts, is not a single market. China and India are nowhere near in terms of purchasing power or individual consumption and won't be for decades.
- davedx 2y ago
  > EEA, despite decades of EU efforts, is not a single market. Huh? It really is. There's free trade and free movement of labour. How is it not a single market?
  - Jensson 2y ago
    Language barriers.
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  - rafaelmn 2y ago
    We have 24 official languages, regulations/legal systems vary from county to county and we don't even have a common currency. It's a lot better than having to deal with each county individually but still way more overhead than US.
    - hnaccount_rng 2y ago
      But we don’t have tariff regimes. That what a common market means. It doesn’t mean that you can sell the same product to everyone. It just means that you can move that product everywhere. And even the regulatory regime is overwhelmingly European (that’s why you get manuals in 20 languages)
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      - feraloink 2y ago
        You don't have tariff regimes within the common market, that's true. You do have tariffs on goods that are imported from any country other than the 24 in the EEA.
    - bgnn 2y ago
      US is as scattered with ecery state having their own legislation.
      - feraloink 2y ago
        I think interstate commerce law is intended to minimize inefficiencies due to that? I'm not sure.
    - davedx 2y ago
      You're being obtuse. With those points I could argue the US isn't a single market either! 1. California has 10 million Spanish speakers 2. Every state has its own regulations and legislation (and taxes!) But I don't think you would try to make that argument... right? Free movement of labour and goods make a single market. The other stuff is just normal operational costs of doing business. Also, and you know this: most of the EEA uses the Euro; the countries that don't are exceptions
      - Imustaskforhelp 2y ago
        Yeah. You really made an exceptional comment that I don't think anybody can argue with! Kudos!
- jorvi 2y ago
  Not currently in Germany. amazon.de click 28cm lightweight bike wheel click Order click. Well what do you know, you're a big fat liar :)

liuliu 2y ago

That's not going to be true after your facilities are built.

dns_snek 2y ago

Tariffs aren't bans. They still have access to the US market, US consumers are just forced to pay higher taxes for these goods.

rafaelmn 2y ago
It's government eating into your margins - unless there's no domestic substitutes.
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bgirard 2y ago

> Access to the richest single market in the world ? How long do they stay the richest single market in the world if rest of the global world are producing and trading at greater efficiency while the US are facing large short term supply disruptions, higher costs and reciprocal trading tariffs on their exports?

saturn8601 2y ago
The majority of countries have a negative birth rate. The US is doing "OK" (stopping immigration is why I put it in quotes). This is going to catch up to most countries very soon. The US will be in a small group of the ones last standing.
- daveguy 2y ago
  I don't think quotes are the appropriate modifier to adjust for the damage from draconian and short-sighted immigration policy. Past tense use of the verb is probably more appropriate since countries are issuing do-not-travel warnings against the US (for the first time ever?). This administration is arrogant fools all the way down. I hope the messages sent by the electorate in 2026 and 2028 are loud enough and the brain drain is still reversible.
  - saturn8601 2y ago
    The point of the quotes was that we wont see the outcome of these decisions until years from now. Which is why today it is still OK but its like the car speeding and then jumping off the cliff. Will it reach the other side or fall to its doom? Too early to tell, we are still watching.
- deleted 2y ago
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- reverendsteveii 2y ago
  How do you think economic turmoil is going to affect the birth rate in the US and how do you justify labelling a birth rate that's been below replacement for 18 years as "OK"?

Breza 2y ago

If these tariffs continue for 30 years, it's hard to know if we'd still be the largest single market in the world.