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While we're talking about Firefox, does anybody feel like it's gotten dog-slow recently compared to Chrome? Testing with the following gist it takes FF 2.7 sec

While we're talking about Firefox, does anybody feel like it's gotten dog-slow recently compared to Chrome? Testing with the following gist it takes FF 2.7 seconds on my machine for the page to fully load, and only ~400 ms in Chrome. https://gist.github.com/NatElkins/6f2538e58778fdf2868419d8248e10a1 https://gist.github.com/NatElkins/6f2538e58778fdf2868419d824...

sshine 2y ago
I wouldn't say dog slow. Because it implies some kind of comparison to a breathing entity. I would say, it kills my iOS, my MacBook and my Linux. It's shit. I thought my iPhone 13 was broken, but it turns out, if I never start Firefox, it works perfectly. A couple of years ago I think they had some performance problems with a lot of tabs. Seems like they're back to having the same problems they used to have. I've worked at places that kept re-introducing the same software bugs month after month. Certain way to lose your customers.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  > I thought my iPhone 13 was broken, but it turns out, if I never start Firefox, it works perfectly. See, that's weird because that's still WebKit. Obviously there's plenty of room for variation - good and bad! - in the wrapper around the engine, but I still think of the core browser engine as being the interesting bit.
  - anon6362 2y ago
    Yep, both major non-Safari Mobile browser are still using WebKit, which means, it's probably better to use Safari unless there are compelling features that break out of the walled garden. Apple rescinded the "WebKit for every browser" requirement, but Chrome iOS with the Blink rendering engine will supposedly arrive this year (2025) and yet I don't think a similar FF Quantum for iOS will happen anytime soon. I happened to have FF installed on an iPhone 13 Pro because it synced over from an iCloud backup but I never bothered to run it since I tried running on an iPhone 6S once-upon-a-time.
  - sshine 2y ago
    > See, that's weird because that's still WebKit. Obviously there's plenty of room for variation - good and bad! - in the wrapper around the engine, but I still think of the core browser engine as being the interesting bit. I agree that the browser engine is the interesting bit. But nonetheless, Firefox is completely useless on iOS. I've had to change not because I wanted to. I still keep it around as a password manager because of Firefox Sync, because I don't need to open it. But I really need to start investing in another password manager.

sshine 2y ago

I wouldn't say dog slow. Because it implies some kind of comparison to a breathing entity. I would say, it kills my iOS, my MacBook and my Linux. It's shit. I thought my iPhone 13 was broken, but it turns out, if I never start Firefox, it works perfectly. A couple of years ago I think they had some performance problems with a lot of tabs. Seems like they're back to having the same problems they used to have. I've worked at places that kept re-introducing the same software bugs month after month. Certain way to lose your customers.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> I thought my iPhone 13 was broken, but it turns out, if I never start Firefox, it works perfectly. See, that's weird because that's still WebKit. Obviously there's plenty of room for variation - good and bad! - in the wrapper around the engine, but I still think of the core browser engine as being the interesting bit.
- anon6362 2y ago
  Yep, both major non-Safari Mobile browser are still using WebKit, which means, it's probably better to use Safari unless there are compelling features that break out of the walled garden. Apple rescinded the "WebKit for every browser" requirement, but Chrome iOS with the Blink rendering engine will supposedly arrive this year (2025) and yet I don't think a similar FF Quantum for iOS will happen anytime soon. I happened to have FF installed on an iPhone 13 Pro because it synced over from an iCloud backup but I never bothered to run it since I tried running on an iPhone 6S once-upon-a-time.
- sshine 2y ago
  > See, that's weird because that's still WebKit. Obviously there's plenty of room for variation - good and bad! - in the wrapper around the engine, but I still think of the core browser engine as being the interesting bit. I agree that the browser engine is the interesting bit. But nonetheless, Firefox is completely useless on iOS. I've had to change not because I wanted to. I still keep it around as a password manager because of Firefox Sync, because I don't need to open it. But I really need to start investing in another password manager.