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That's the thing, there is an almost impenetrable media wall that no amount of "this is bad" news articles can get through IMO the only thing that can get thro

That's the thing, there is an almost impenetrable media wall that no amount of "this is bad" news articles can get through IMO the only thing that can get through is actual personal consequences for the voter themself

NickM 2y ago
IMO the only thing that can get through is actual personal consequences for the voter themself Well, yes. And his approval rating has been steadily declining in tandem with the stock market declines he's caused. If/when prices suddenly skyrocket because of tariffs, you can bet his approval ratings will decline further.
watwut 2y ago
They will blame left, democrats, immigrants, women and Canada for that. They will not blame Trump, republicans, conservatives nor anyone who work foe them.
gamblor956 2y ago
That won't work. WaPo, LAT, etc. have run numerous articles where MAGA voters talk about the consequences of his actions to them or immediate family members (getting laid off, losing medical coverage, deportation, etc.) and they say it's worth the sacrifice because they just know that Trump is actually looking out for them and won't let them suffer for too long.
- brokencode 2y ago
  There are millions of voters who voted for Biden in 2020 and either sat out or voted for Trump in 2024. Not everybody is part of the cult. Many people simply thought Trump would take the economy and prices back to 2019. If he doesn’t, he’ll be punished.
TaurenHunter 2y ago
That must be why some people are keying Teslas and even resorting to arson.
kcplate 2y ago
Which will be exactly what for the standard middle class person? CBS published this list: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/which-products-most-affected-tariffs/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/which-products-most-affected-ta... What exactly on this list is a day to day item that is going to adversely affect the middle class/blue collar Trump voter enough to cause them to flip their alliance? On that list maybe clothes and shoes. But even still those are generally bought only a couple of times a year and any increase will be griped about in the moment, but come election time will be forgotten. There are only four things that will make a middle class voter feel pain enough to re-align their vote. Fuel/energy costs, general food costs, rent/housing costs, and job insecurity. If these tariffs do not adversely touch those areas, they will have little to no impact on switching votes. Also of note, over the last four years those items are the ones that drove Trump back into the Oval Office.
- dudefeliciano 2y ago
  Middle class people also have to buy new cars, maybe want to treat themselves with some foreign alcohol, they still need furniture, coffee is still one of the most traded commodities in the world and americans guzzle it down.
  - Yeul 2y ago
    Yep what sets middle class apart from lower class is consumption. But the lower class will also feel the tariffs. Because the lower class needs that $9.99 sweat pants.
  - kcplate 2y ago
    New cars - They are not purchased very often by the middle class and they will lean domestic if they desire new or buy foreign cars on the used market if they really desire them. Foreign Alcohol as a treat - If it’s a “treat” it’s already likely a more expensive choice than a domestic equivalent and any cost increase becomes part of the luxury of it being a treat. If your $60 bottle of Italian wine that you occasionally treat yourself with is now $80, you won’t really notice that $20. If you do, maybe you opt for a better domestic instead. If the $20 california wine you daily drink becomes $30, you notice that. But I assert that there is quite a bit of exceptional alcohol produced in the US and the middle class electorate is not going to starve for decent alcohol. Furniture - Like cars, this is not a regular purchase and frankly not one where a price comparison with a prior purchase of a similar item will really notice any price increase due to tariffs. How often do you replace a dinner table? 10 years? Of course it’s more expensive than the last time you needed one. Coffee is the one example where you have daily consumption and like I said on my original comment, food is one area that if affected, people will notice.

NickM 2y ago

IMO the only thing that can get through is actual personal consequences for the voter themself Well, yes. And his approval rating has been steadily declining in tandem with the stock market declines he's caused. If/when prices suddenly skyrocket because of tariffs, you can bet his approval ratings will decline further.

watwut 2y ago

They will blame left, democrats, immigrants, women and Canada for that. They will not blame Trump, republicans, conservatives nor anyone who work foe them.

gamblor956 2y ago

That won't work. WaPo, LAT, etc. have run numerous articles where MAGA voters talk about the consequences of his actions to them or immediate family members (getting laid off, losing medical coverage, deportation, etc.) and they say it's worth the sacrifice because they just know that Trump is actually looking out for them and won't let them suffer for too long.

brokencode 2y ago
There are millions of voters who voted for Biden in 2020 and either sat out or voted for Trump in 2024. Not everybody is part of the cult. Many people simply thought Trump would take the economy and prices back to 2019. If he doesn’t, he’ll be punished.

TaurenHunter 2y ago

That must be why some people are keying Teslas and even resorting to arson.

kcplate 2y ago

Which will be exactly what for the standard middle class person? CBS published this list: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/which-products-most-affected-tariffs/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/which-products-most-affected-ta... What exactly on this list is a day to day item that is going to adversely affect the middle class/blue collar Trump voter enough to cause them to flip their alliance? On that list maybe clothes and shoes. But even still those are generally bought only a couple of times a year and any increase will be griped about in the moment, but come election time will be forgotten. There are only four things that will make a middle class voter feel pain enough to re-align their vote. Fuel/energy costs, general food costs, rent/housing costs, and job insecurity. If these tariffs do not adversely touch those areas, they will have little to no impact on switching votes. Also of note, over the last four years those items are the ones that drove Trump back into the Oval Office.

dudefeliciano 2y ago
Middle class people also have to buy new cars, maybe want to treat themselves with some foreign alcohol, they still need furniture, coffee is still one of the most traded commodities in the world and americans guzzle it down.
- Yeul 2y ago
  Yep what sets middle class apart from lower class is consumption. But the lower class will also feel the tariffs. Because the lower class needs that $9.99 sweat pants.
- kcplate 2y ago
  New cars - They are not purchased very often by the middle class and they will lean domestic if they desire new or buy foreign cars on the used market if they really desire them. Foreign Alcohol as a treat - If it’s a “treat” it’s already likely a more expensive choice than a domestic equivalent and any cost increase becomes part of the luxury of it being a treat. If your $60 bottle of Italian wine that you occasionally treat yourself with is now $80, you won’t really notice that $20. If you do, maybe you opt for a better domestic instead. If the $20 california wine you daily drink becomes $30, you notice that. But I assert that there is quite a bit of exceptional alcohol produced in the US and the middle class electorate is not going to starve for decent alcohol. Furniture - Like cars, this is not a regular purchase and frankly not one where a price comparison with a prior purchase of a similar item will really notice any price increase due to tariffs. How often do you replace a dinner table? 10 years? Of course it’s more expensive than the last time you needed one. Coffee is the one example where you have daily consumption and like I said on my original comment, food is one area that if affected, people will notice.