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It is absolutely wild to me that money gained from letting it sit is taxed less than money gained from working your ass off. A crime against the working class.

dragonwriter 2y ago
The system wasn't named “capitalism” because it systematically favors the working class, I mean, what do you expect?
- colordrops 2y ago
  Where in the US constitution is capitalism mentioned?
  - thfuran 2y ago
    What's your point? The tax code isn't in the constitution either.
    - colordrops 2y ago
      The point is that this isn't some fundamental property of our society that we all agreed to. It's de facto capitalist, not de jure. Just because a bunch of people pushed it one way doesn't mean we have to throw up our arms and just go with it.
tim333 2y ago
The working class have property and stocks too and don't want them taxed stupidly.
- SteveNuts 2y ago
  That's the entire reason why income tax is progressive, and there's no reason that couldn't be applied to any other implemented tax including capital gains.
- arbitrary_name 2y ago
  Yes, but far less. We can have tax free thresholds, you know. Like the capital gains exemption for sale if a house. Any working class person against higher and broader capital gains taxes is not thinking very deeply, in my opinion.
  - Domenic_S 2y ago
    Hard disagree. Compared to the OECD average, we collect almost double in personal tax revenue as a proportion of total tax revenue. What's more, historically personal tax revenue as a % of GDP stays roughly the same - regardless of active tax rates. Where we fall dreadfully short compared to other countries is corporate tax revenue. In 2021, corporate income tax revenue in the U.S. was 1.6% of GDP, compared to the OECD average of 3.2%
    - colordrops 2y ago
      It's messed up from first principles - hard work should be valued as a society over investment gains, and reflected at the individual level in take home income. Obtuse measures and comparative aggregates are irrelevant.
      - Domenic_S 2y ago
        “Should be” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there - I have heard reasonable arguments either way - but it misses the point: whether the personal tax rate was all-time high or an all-time low, personal tax revenue stays roughly the same historically. In other words it’s a trap - raising the rate might make you feel better, but if history is any indicator it won’t change anything for everyday citizens.

dragonwriter 2y ago

The system wasn't named “capitalism” because it systematically favors the working class, I mean, what do you expect?

colordrops 2y ago
Where in the US constitution is capitalism mentioned?
- thfuran 2y ago
  What's your point? The tax code isn't in the constitution either.
  - colordrops 2y ago
    The point is that this isn't some fundamental property of our society that we all agreed to. It's de facto capitalist, not de jure. Just because a bunch of people pushed it one way doesn't mean we have to throw up our arms and just go with it.

tim333 2y ago

The working class have property and stocks too and don't want them taxed stupidly.

SteveNuts 2y ago
That's the entire reason why income tax is progressive, and there's no reason that couldn't be applied to any other implemented tax including capital gains.
arbitrary_name 2y ago
Yes, but far less. We can have tax free thresholds, you know. Like the capital gains exemption for sale if a house. Any working class person against higher and broader capital gains taxes is not thinking very deeply, in my opinion.
- Domenic_S 2y ago
  Hard disagree. Compared to the OECD average, we collect almost double in personal tax revenue as a proportion of total tax revenue. What's more, historically personal tax revenue as a % of GDP stays roughly the same - regardless of active tax rates. Where we fall dreadfully short compared to other countries is corporate tax revenue. In 2021, corporate income tax revenue in the U.S. was 1.6% of GDP, compared to the OECD average of 3.2%
  - colordrops 2y ago
    It's messed up from first principles - hard work should be valued as a society over investment gains, and reflected at the individual level in take home income. Obtuse measures and comparative aggregates are irrelevant.
    - Domenic_S 2y ago
      “Should be” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there - I have heard reasonable arguments either way - but it misses the point: whether the personal tax rate was all-time high or an all-time low, personal tax revenue stays roughly the same historically. In other words it’s a trap - raising the rate might make you feel better, but if history is any indicator it won’t change anything for everyday citizens.