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Unfortunately for you, you haven't proven anything about MSG being the root of any disease whatsoever, as both links only proves what it can do to someone who a

Unfortunately for you, you haven't proven anything about MSG being the root of any disease whatsoever, as both links only proves what it can do to someone who already has some kind of disease (fibromyalgia in this case). This is not so different from the harmful effect of gluten to someone who has coeliac, or sugar to a diabetic, but no sane person is going to demonize gluten or sugar just because a very small subset of the population are harmed by those substances. Or milk. Or peanuts. Almost any type of food source could be thought of as harmful based on your own criteria. I can find the kind of study you link to for so many things that you'd develop a fear of eating itself. The truth remains : there is no STRONG correlation between MSG and the kind of horrors the demonization campaign stirred up by conspiracy theorists pretends it to do to the human body. You type "monosodium glutamate" in google and one of the links on the FIRST page is a link to rense.com, a website maintained by 9/11 deniers and UFO believers, and it's for a good reason if that link is on the first page, because talk about MSG is most popular amongst that group of people. Anything that is not "natural" (for some highly subjective value of) is prone to be hated and part of a fear mongering campaign from the type of people that are obsessed with fear, fear of technology, of progress, of science, of politics [...]

saurik 14y ago
The fact that there are nut jobs that believe something extreme that have high page rank does not mean that a more moderate position is false. Meanwhile, the argument that science cannot "prove" anything undermines the idea of science being valuable at all. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=MSG+glutamate http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=MSG+glutamate That search result is littered with articles in legitimate sources testing MSG in various contexts, showing random negative effects on hormone regulation and brain function in general. Are these important effects? Maybe not; but you have to look at the effects in question. What is quite clear, though, is that tons of actual scientists have studied MSG and have turned out actual papers showing actually statistically significant effects, albeit in models that you might disagree with under dosages you might consider absurd. Others, of course, might find them highly reasonable. You can't, however, just wave your hands and dismiss all of this work: to do so is just ignoring science, and apparently trusting some combination of your gut feelings on the matter and Google's page rank algorithm to establish truth. There is science out there, and that science should be discussed.
- Nicole060 14y ago
  People who are NOT researchers but spreading the same shit everywhere on the internet are nothing but conspirationists. Including you. Because you contest what is officially recognized as OK, and do so without yourself having the medical authority/background to back up your claims. A random hodge podge of various, completely unrelated studies does not a point make. The experts of the FDA and various health authorities around the world have read the same studies as you do, and allowed MSG to be used in our food, and you have no authority to contest that. I can bring up the same hodge podge about gluten and ask for a ban. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16436335 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16436335 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18787912 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18787912 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16423158 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16423158 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1727768 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1727768 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19664354 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19664354 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20170845 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20170845 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15497770 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15497770 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16436335 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16436335 Here you have equivalent material on gluten, hell you'll even find an association with schizophrenia. Let's fear-monger and stop eating bread and pasta ! With your really low, actually unscientific standard of using science studies, I can make it so that you'll never eat any food again, because I can find the same stuff about most food sources. Since everything is so unsafe why don't you just kill yourself and be done with the unsafe misery that is life, cowering in your primal fears. You can't eat msg, but you can't eat gluten either, nor table salt, or sugar, or various carbohydrates, or milk.. oh but you can't eat some meat either because there are correlations to cancer. In fact, studies on meat have shown greater negative effects on the body than studies on MSG. "A 2011 study of 17,000 individuals found that people consuming the most grilled and well-done meat had a 56 and 59% higher rate of cancer" http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v106/n3/full/bjc2011549a.html http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v106/n3/full/bjc2011549a.h... Are you going to stop eating meat forever because of the relatively small increase of risk of getting cancer ? This is why I call you a conspirationist. There are "natural" food sources, like red meat, that have been proven as much more dangerous (and it's still a relatively small danger, statistically speaking) than MSG yet people like you focus on MSG and Aspartame because FUCK ARTIFICIAL PRODUCTS right ? Red meat is natural so it's all good right ? My point wasn't that I trust pagerank more than science. It's that there is a popular FOCUS on something that ISN'T MORE dangerous than stuff like read meat, and it's for a reason : fear mongering about anything that's artificial, man-made, call it whatever you like. The science speaks for itself because none of the study you will link to will prove MSG as a bigger danger than something like red meat. And yet, you don't see anyone trying to bring up a fear-mongering campaign against meat. The only people who campaign against meat are the psychotic vegetarians from PETA who do so in the name of a ridiculous "ethics", being against the killing of animals. Seeing educated people like you spreading this bullshit against MSG doesn't help to educate most people about the reality of food. Most of your food sources can be toxic to a % of the population. Big fucking deal.

saurik 14y ago

The fact that there are nut jobs that believe something extreme that have high page rank does not mean that a more moderate position is false. Meanwhile, the argument that science cannot "prove" anything undermines the idea of science being valuable at all. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=MSG+glutamate http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=MSG+glutamate That search result is littered with articles in legitimate sources testing MSG in various contexts, showing random negative effects on hormone regulation and brain function in general. Are these important effects? Maybe not; but you have to look at the effects in question. What is quite clear, though, is that tons of actual scientists have studied MSG and have turned out actual papers showing actually statistically significant effects, albeit in models that you might disagree with under dosages you might consider absurd. Others, of course, might find them highly reasonable. You can't, however, just wave your hands and dismiss all of this work: to do so is just ignoring science, and apparently trusting some combination of your gut feelings on the matter and Google's page rank algorithm to establish truth. There is science out there, and that science should be discussed.

Nicole060 14y ago
People who are NOT researchers but spreading the same shit everywhere on the internet are nothing but conspirationists. Including you. Because you contest what is officially recognized as OK, and do so without yourself having the medical authority/background to back up your claims. A random hodge podge of various, completely unrelated studies does not a point make. The experts of the FDA and various health authorities around the world have read the same studies as you do, and allowed MSG to be used in our food, and you have no authority to contest that. I can bring up the same hodge podge about gluten and ask for a ban. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16436335 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16436335 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18787912 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18787912 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16423158 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16423158 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1727768 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1727768 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19664354 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19664354 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20170845 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20170845 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15497770 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15497770 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16436335 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16436335 Here you have equivalent material on gluten, hell you'll even find an association with schizophrenia. Let's fear-monger and stop eating bread and pasta ! With your really low, actually unscientific standard of using science studies, I can make it so that you'll never eat any food again, because I can find the same stuff about most food sources. Since everything is so unsafe why don't you just kill yourself and be done with the unsafe misery that is life, cowering in your primal fears. You can't eat msg, but you can't eat gluten either, nor table salt, or sugar, or various carbohydrates, or milk.. oh but you can't eat some meat either because there are correlations to cancer. In fact, studies on meat have shown greater negative effects on the body than studies on MSG. "A 2011 study of 17,000 individuals found that people consuming the most grilled and well-done meat had a 56 and 59% higher rate of cancer" http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v106/n3/full/bjc2011549a.html http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v106/n3/full/bjc2011549a.h... Are you going to stop eating meat forever because of the relatively small increase of risk of getting cancer ? This is why I call you a conspirationist. There are "natural" food sources, like red meat, that have been proven as much more dangerous (and it's still a relatively small danger, statistically speaking) than MSG yet people like you focus on MSG and Aspartame because FUCK ARTIFICIAL PRODUCTS right ? Red meat is natural so it's all good right ? My point wasn't that I trust pagerank more than science. It's that there is a popular FOCUS on something that ISN'T MORE dangerous than stuff like read meat, and it's for a reason : fear mongering about anything that's artificial, man-made, call it whatever you like. The science speaks for itself because none of the study you will link to will prove MSG as a bigger danger than something like red meat. And yet, you don't see anyone trying to bring up a fear-mongering campaign against meat. The only people who campaign against meat are the psychotic vegetarians from PETA who do so in the name of a ridiculous "ethics", being against the killing of animals. Seeing educated people like you spreading this bullshit against MSG doesn't help to educate most people about the reality of food. Most of your food sources can be toxic to a % of the population. Big fucking deal.