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How about “not doing it at all”?
by Henchman21 2y ago
How about “not doing it at all”?
- rayiner 2y agoHow do you propose to fix deindustrialization?
- bandrami 2y agoUS industrial output is the highest it has ever been. Where did you get the idea that we "deindustrialized"?
- smallmancontrov 2y agoBy looking at where things are made rather than by using hedonic adjustments to multiply up INTC revenue until it hides the problem (or whatever the strategy is today now that INTC is flagging).
- bandrami 2y agoRight, doing that shows US industrial output to be at its highest level ever.
- uoaei 2y agoMade or assembled?
- bandrami 2y agoI mean, both? We actually track this stuff, you know? Or at least we did until DOGE fired everybody who does that
- uoaei 2y agoThen what is the breakdown between products manufactured here and those merely assembled?
- bandrami 2y agoAssembly is one example of manufacture, so that distinction isn't really the one you think it is. Output is tracked by value added, so the mythical "car comes missing a single bolt which gets added in Flint" doesn't really show up in the output numbers, if that's your worry.
- uoaei 2y agoDo you think that's a reasonable way to measure abd report manufacturing output? Is laying our heads at the GDP idol's feet a reasonable measure of what these activities contribute to national welfare?
- bandrami 2y agoGDP is a pretty good measure of national incomes and, yes, I think income is a good number to look at if you're judging welfare.
- smallmancontrov 2y agoOh, you're one of the people who believes the "Made in America" stickers. That explains a lot.
- kelipso 2y agoDo people actually believe this? Maybe industrial output according to some cooked up numbers or specific industries.
- bandrami 2y agoWhat made-up numbers are you using to pretend it's not true?
- kelipso 2y agoI'm not the one making unbelievable statements. Were you one of those people who said there was no inflation at all until the last possible moment?
- bandrami 2y agoSo provide any measure by which US manufacturing output has declined. Good luck!
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoYou're both making claims. How about either one of you provides some actual numbers? (Or rayiner, for that matter...)
- bandrami 2y agoGoogle is free (for now), but if you need a link: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/manufacturing-output https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/uni...
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoIt is. But it's really a lousy conversation to have you two going back and forth several times, with each of you asking the other to substantiate their position, and neither of you actually doing so.
- jopython 2y agoWe lost 6 million manufacturing jobs over the past decade.
- bandrami 2y agoSo? Manufacturing is not a jobs program. The output is what matters. You might as well say we "de-agriculturized" because we automated farming.
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- bumby 2y agoJobs is not the same as production. Many of the jobs are lost due to automation. If you bring manufacturing back to the US you’ll be “hiring” a lot more robuts than humans.
- rayiner 2y agoUS industrial output is much lower than it has been relative to our consumption. We should mostly make in the country the industrial products we consume.
- CalChris 2y agoSo you agree that we are not deindustrialized. Have a nice day.
- nkozyra 2y agoWe are a consumer nation because we are more prosperous than our peers. It's the same reason you buy your food at a grocery store. Generally, the clamoring for domestic production comes down to: 1. Employment. But because we are more prosperous, our employment is aimed elsewhere. We have jobs for people that are less dangerous, less manual, and better paid. 2. A fear that without domestic production, we're at a strategic or military disadvantage. But it's not that we _can't_ produce in an emergency, we can and have historically (see: oil in the 1970s). What protects us most is hegemony, which is threatened by things like across-the-board trade wars. 3. Nostalgia for the good ol days. Look, if you want to work in a factory, we have lots of them here, still. Nobody will stop you from putting on the hard hat. But in all likelihood you have a less stressful, less dangerous, and better-paying job today. There really isn't an argument for this. Our trade was - as all trade is - mutually beneficial. Right now we're pushing the glass to the edge of the table when it was perfectly fine where it was. One other important note: there are things we literally cannot produce domestically due to lack of natural availability (food products, certain textiles)
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