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>The United States will be an autarchy, similar to how LaTam was in the 70's, when tried this exact idea. The tariffs being as high instantly, will impact the e

>The United States will be an autarchy, similar to how LaTam was in the 70's, when tried this exact idea. The tariffs being as high instantly, will impact the economy, later, the country will probably grow, which is what they expect, but this is not a productive grow. Because your new factories now are not competing with external products, so your productivity go down, this means real income will also go down. If what you say is true, tarrifs should not exist in any country. And yet, most countries are using tarrifs. What if a particular country is using dumping and sell at prices so low, it will kill a particular industry? And after they kill it, they start jacking prices at unseen levels and you will have to pay because you don't have a choice?

vitorgrs 2y ago
Most countries do specific tariffs on areas of the economy they want to develop/protect them. If a country is doing price dumping, there's even legal ways of protecting these sectors, by applying to WTO (but the U.S basically killed the WTO). But even if the U.S don't trust the WTO, they could apply antidumping tariffs to these specific sectors (like the 100% tariffs Biden administration did to EVs). U.S is not doing this right now, it's protecting "all sectors" of the economy. There's no other reasonable developed country with a 29% tariff. You can check here: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/TM.TAX.MRCH.WM.AR.ZS https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/TM.TAX.MRCH.WM.AR.ZS You'll also notice that most developed or growing economics have low tariffs...
razakel 2y ago
>And yet, most countries are using tarrifs. On specific industries they want to protect. Not completely across the board.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  VAT on imports are across the board, as far as consumer goods go.
  - detaro 2y ago
    VAT by definition applies to domestic products as well, and is thus not putting foreign sellers at a disadvantage.
    - carlosjobim 2y ago
      Domestic producers can redeem part of their VAT, which foreign producers can't, effectively making it a tariff. Also European countries apply their own bona-fide tariffs to foreign imports, which anybody who has imported into the EU has experienced. It is stated "tariff" on the bill you receive from customs and in the law that regulates said tariff, and in your accounting for expenses if you are a business. But now we have to pretend these tariffs do not exist? What kind of game is this? Has everybody became psychopaths?
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  - roflyear 2y ago
    VAT is like a sales-tax but along the supply chain (with credits) - so it's like a complicated sales-tax. If you want to use that for argument, you should include US sales taxes in the calculation too. Which could be fair, I guess.
    - carlosjobim 2y ago
      European VAT is significantly higher than any US sales tax, reaching as high as 25% or more. Also, foreign manufacturers do not get any VAT credits. Also, every person in the US can import goods to a value of $800 per day without having to pay any duties. In Europe you have much less generous rules, and sometimes the limit is €0.
      - roflyear 2y ago
        Are you for these recent tariffs?

vitorgrs 2y ago

Most countries do specific tariffs on areas of the economy they want to develop/protect them. If a country is doing price dumping, there's even legal ways of protecting these sectors, by applying to WTO (but the U.S basically killed the WTO). But even if the U.S don't trust the WTO, they could apply antidumping tariffs to these specific sectors (like the 100% tariffs Biden administration did to EVs). U.S is not doing this right now, it's protecting "all sectors" of the economy. There's no other reasonable developed country with a 29% tariff. You can check here: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/TM.TAX.MRCH.WM.AR.ZS https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/TM.TAX.MRCH.WM.AR.ZS You'll also notice that most developed or growing economics have low tariffs...

razakel 2y ago

>And yet, most countries are using tarrifs. On specific industries they want to protect. Not completely across the board.

carlosjobim 2y ago
VAT on imports are across the board, as far as consumer goods go.
- detaro 2y ago
  VAT by definition applies to domestic products as well, and is thus not putting foreign sellers at a disadvantage.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    Domestic producers can redeem part of their VAT, which foreign producers can't, effectively making it a tariff. Also European countries apply their own bona-fide tariffs to foreign imports, which anybody who has imported into the EU has experienced. It is stated "tariff" on the bill you receive from customs and in the law that regulates said tariff, and in your accounting for expenses if you are a business. But now we have to pretend these tariffs do not exist? What kind of game is this? Has everybody became psychopaths?
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- roflyear 2y ago
  VAT is like a sales-tax but along the supply chain (with credits) - so it's like a complicated sales-tax. If you want to use that for argument, you should include US sales taxes in the calculation too. Which could be fair, I guess.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    European VAT is significantly higher than any US sales tax, reaching as high as 25% or more. Also, foreign manufacturers do not get any VAT credits. Also, every person in the US can import goods to a value of $800 per day without having to pay any duties. In Europe you have much less generous rules, and sometimes the limit is €0.
    - roflyear 2y ago
      Are you for these recent tariffs?