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I'm from a very poor Appalachian town. My only option to better my life was to get up and leave. People from my hometown do talk about the good old days. Peopl

I'm from a very poor Appalachian town. My only option to better my life was to get up and leave. People from my hometown do talk about the good old days. People worked at union factories and my grandfather worked a well paying railroad job. My no-name town of 1000 people had a train station that made it possible to go to NYC. My grandpa got paid a handsome retirement from the railroad company. When he died, my grandmother was able to receive his benefits. My hometown votes against building railways. The station has long crumbled. They vote against unions. The factories are long gone. They've voted against any sort of retirement benefits. The elderly are struggling and depending on churches handing out food. Even if those factories come back, they'll be paid less than my ancestors did. They'll never have an affordable link to cities hours away. They'll never get the retirement benefits my ancestors had. And if you mention giving them these benefits, they yell and say they don't want them. The youth in my hometown who worked hard in school (we somehow had a decent school, all things considered) used their education as a ticket out. Now the people there are pissed and they're coming for education next. These people don't want "the plant." They want to be young again, without understanding that their youth was great because my ancestors busted their asses to give us great opportunities. They squandered everything that was given to us.

abnercoimbre 2y ago
Since you grew up there, what was their rationale for repudiating pro-labor policies at the ballot box?
- forgotoldacc 2y ago
  The guys on TV told them the people who supported it were communist and unions are for lazy people and welfare queens. They were told by the people on TV that if they vote against this, then those people will have worse and they'll have it better. 45 minutes down the road was a town with a large black population. When people talked about "those people in (town name)" being lazy or "those people" getting jobs or "those welfare queens" somehow benefiting from anything, everybody knew what they were talking about. It was better to be racist instead of caring about the future of their children Now, decades later, it's still the same. "Welfare queen" isn't the word that's used much anymore--everyone knows it's used as a substitute for various racial slurs and it's hard to deny it. Instead, they complain about DEI and woke. They replaced the word, but the meaning is the same. They still deny that it's meant to refer to "those people", but they always mention "that" town name when talking about it.
  - sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
    "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - Lyndon B. Johnson
nthingtohide 2y ago
This is very telling. The American Empire didn't even work for Americans. Who really benefitted? Just the Elites? Why should common people care about propping up an empire if the people in power don't bother about them. For context, read this thread. https://x.com/yishan/status/1906592890845028405 https://x.com/yishan/status/1906592890845028405
- e40 2y ago
  Many if us can’t read threads because we don’t have accounts there anymore.
  - 42772827 2y ago
    https://nitter.net/yishan/status/1906592890845028405 https://nitter.net/yishan/status/1906592890845028405
    - palmotea 2y ago
      > The original architects of American global power did something very clever that no other empire had ever done before: they deliberately hid the instruments of their power. > Specifically, they institutionalized the hard power of the post-WW2 American military into a "rules-based international order" and the organizations needed to run it. > ... > The reason they did this is because repeated use of hard military power is fragile and self-defeating: it engenders resentment and breeds defiance. I think a similar thing happened to the people with the ideology of markets: they're presented as some neutral, optimal thing, but they aren't. They encode biases and preferences that suit powerful interests, which can take a lot of effort for a common person to discern. But since there's no leader or decision-maker to point to and defy, so it's hard to organize people about the problems, and then it's hard to point them at the right root cause/solution.
      - 42772827 2y ago
        Spot on. “The market” is presented like it’s some state of nature, some law of the universe like physics. It’s been said Slavoj Žižek, Mark Fisher, and Fredric Jameson, but it appears Jameson was likely the first: “It’s easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.”
lynx97 2y ago
32 years after my father died, I still only get 1.9x the pay he used to get for manual labour. Given that inflation goes roughly double every 20 years, its clear I am getting less pay then he did. I also had to leave my village, because there were simply zero good opportunities to work in IT. The young leaving rural villages are pretty much common, and has almost nothing to do with how people vote. Neither in which country they actually reside. Its a downward trend, everywhere.
areoform 2y ago
I'm sorry to hear that. That's genuinely painful to read, but it's a reality that I've seen reflected elsewhere. I tend to think about Feynman's Challenger commission report whenever I come across stories like yours, "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." For a successful society, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled. And yes, nature will come for us all be it pestilence or disease, or a storm that washes it all away. Nature never stops. We created civilization and society as a way to escape nature's wrath. To become something more, to rise above the muck, and when we degrade that we will inevitably go back to the muck.
Bhilai 2y ago
Reminds me on 'the town' in the book Damon Copperhead.
cosmic_cheese 2y ago
My background is very similar. Grew up in a small, poor mountain town that once boomed with industry but today is crumbling to dust as the population becomes increasingly elderly and young people either leave for greener pastures or abuse substances in order to escape their reality and succumb to addiction. The industry that once fueled the town is long gone and isn’t ever coming back, and as you say even if a new industry moved in the jobs it’d open up would be so grueling and abusive that it wouldn’t be a net improvement to anybody’s lives, thanks to all the worker protections stripped away over the years. It’s not enough to “just” make jobs available. They need to be good jobs with proper protections and support that allow people to thrive.
kristjansson 2y ago
They squandered the sacrifice of their parents, and now they're asking their children to sacrifice for their benefit.

abnercoimbre 2y ago

Since you grew up there, what was their rationale for repudiating pro-labor policies at the ballot box?

forgotoldacc 2y ago
The guys on TV told them the people who supported it were communist and unions are for lazy people and welfare queens. They were told by the people on TV that if they vote against this, then those people will have worse and they'll have it better. 45 minutes down the road was a town with a large black population. When people talked about "those people in (town name)" being lazy or "those people" getting jobs or "those welfare queens" somehow benefiting from anything, everybody knew what they were talking about. It was better to be racist instead of caring about the future of their children Now, decades later, it's still the same. "Welfare queen" isn't the word that's used much anymore--everyone knows it's used as a substitute for various racial slurs and it's hard to deny it. Instead, they complain about DEI and woke. They replaced the word, but the meaning is the same. They still deny that it's meant to refer to "those people", but they always mention "that" town name when talking about it.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 2y ago
  "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - Lyndon B. Johnson

nthingtohide 2y ago

This is very telling. The American Empire didn't even work for Americans. Who really benefitted? Just the Elites? Why should common people care about propping up an empire if the people in power don't bother about them. For context, read this thread. https://x.com/yishan/status/1906592890845028405 https://x.com/yishan/status/1906592890845028405

e40 2y ago
Many if us can’t read threads because we don’t have accounts there anymore.
- 42772827 2y ago
  https://nitter.net/yishan/status/1906592890845028405 https://nitter.net/yishan/status/1906592890845028405
  - palmotea 2y ago
    > The original architects of American global power did something very clever that no other empire had ever done before: they deliberately hid the instruments of their power. > Specifically, they institutionalized the hard power of the post-WW2 American military into a "rules-based international order" and the organizations needed to run it. > ... > The reason they did this is because repeated use of hard military power is fragile and self-defeating: it engenders resentment and breeds defiance. I think a similar thing happened to the people with the ideology of markets: they're presented as some neutral, optimal thing, but they aren't. They encode biases and preferences that suit powerful interests, which can take a lot of effort for a common person to discern. But since there's no leader or decision-maker to point to and defy, so it's hard to organize people about the problems, and then it's hard to point them at the right root cause/solution.
    - 42772827 2y ago
      Spot on. “The market” is presented like it’s some state of nature, some law of the universe like physics. It’s been said Slavoj Žižek, Mark Fisher, and Fredric Jameson, but it appears Jameson was likely the first: “It’s easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.”

lynx97 2y ago

32 years after my father died, I still only get 1.9x the pay he used to get for manual labour. Given that inflation goes roughly double every 20 years, its clear I am getting less pay then he did. I also had to leave my village, because there were simply zero good opportunities to work in IT. The young leaving rural villages are pretty much common, and has almost nothing to do with how people vote. Neither in which country they actually reside. Its a downward trend, everywhere.

areoform 2y ago

I'm sorry to hear that. That's genuinely painful to read, but it's a reality that I've seen reflected elsewhere. I tend to think about Feynman's Challenger commission report whenever I come across stories like yours, "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." For a successful society, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled. And yes, nature will come for us all be it pestilence or disease, or a storm that washes it all away. Nature never stops. We created civilization and society as a way to escape nature's wrath. To become something more, to rise above the muck, and when we degrade that we will inevitably go back to the muck.

Bhilai 2y ago

Reminds me on 'the town' in the book Damon Copperhead.

cosmic_cheese 2y ago

My background is very similar. Grew up in a small, poor mountain town that once boomed with industry but today is crumbling to dust as the population becomes increasingly elderly and young people either leave for greener pastures or abuse substances in order to escape their reality and succumb to addiction. The industry that once fueled the town is long gone and isn’t ever coming back, and as you say even if a new industry moved in the jobs it’d open up would be so grueling and abusive that it wouldn’t be a net improvement to anybody’s lives, thanks to all the worker protections stripped away over the years. It’s not enough to “just” make jobs available. They need to be good jobs with proper protections and support that allow people to thrive.

kristjansson 2y ago

They squandered the sacrifice of their parents, and now they're asking their children to sacrifice for their benefit.