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Brian - if only a few enthusiast users can use Solaris derivatives on their hardware, do you not think ZFS is just relevant for the Enterprise folks? Are any ex

Brian - if only a few enthusiast users can use Solaris derivatives on their hardware, do you not think ZFS is just relevant for the Enterprise folks? Are any ex-Sun,Oracle people putting in efforts for more X86 hardware compatibility? To me, ZFS and Dtrace are of no consequence if I can't use them on my own hardware. And I am sure there are many more people like me.

bcantrill 14y ago
Virtually all of the work that we do in the illumos community is on x86 -- and not merely keeping it functional, but actively advancing the state of the art. For example, we at Joyent ported KVM to illumos last year[1], and since that time we have deployed many thousands of virtual (x86) machines into production on (x86) hardware running SmartOS, our illumos derivative.[2] [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/459754/ http://lwn.net/Articles/459754/ [2] http://smartos.org/ http://smartos.org/
- blinkingled 14y ago
  I keep a tab on those but I was more talking about real desktop/laptop/workstation class x86 hardware, not VM. I have tried and given up running Solaris derivatives on bare metal even if for running just command line. The hardware /peripheral support just doesn't seem to be there.
  - dmpk2k 14y ago
    There is a simple way to guarantee that an Illumos distro works, and that's to use Intel for everything: chip, motherboard, nics, you name it. Other setups can work, but you need to be very aware of this: http://illumos.org/hcl/ http://illumos.org/hcl/
tzs 14y ago
Doesn't FreeBSD include ZFS and Dtrace, and run quite well on x86 hardware?
X-Istence 14y ago
I run OpenIndiana on a variety of different X86 machines, both AMD and Intel without issues. So far compatibility hasn't been an issue that I've ran into and the operating system and everything around it is rock solid. Much better than the Linux machines that were replaced.
3amOpsGuy 14y ago
>> To me, ZFS and Dtrace are of no consequence >> there are many more people like me Recently I was wondering how can there be so many tech startups around just now. Nothing under the sun is new so how can they cut a living? Ive realised this attitude (which there is absolutely nothing wrong with) is the reason. The established players leave gaps for their own reasons and the little guy comes along and seizes the opportunity. Skipping over cheaply accessible best in class technology, at a philosophical level at least, seems akin to pointing a 12 gauge at your toes.

bcantrill 14y ago

Virtually all of the work that we do in the illumos community is on x86 -- and not merely keeping it functional, but actively advancing the state of the art. For example, we at Joyent ported KVM to illumos last year[1], and since that time we have deployed many thousands of virtual (x86) machines into production on (x86) hardware running SmartOS, our illumos derivative.[2] [1] http://lwn.net/Articles/459754/ http://lwn.net/Articles/459754/ [2] http://smartos.org/ http://smartos.org/

blinkingled 14y ago
I keep a tab on those but I was more talking about real desktop/laptop/workstation class x86 hardware, not VM. I have tried and given up running Solaris derivatives on bare metal even if for running just command line. The hardware /peripheral support just doesn't seem to be there.
- dmpk2k 14y ago
  There is a simple way to guarantee that an Illumos distro works, and that's to use Intel for everything: chip, motherboard, nics, you name it. Other setups can work, but you need to be very aware of this: http://illumos.org/hcl/ http://illumos.org/hcl/

tzs 14y ago

Doesn't FreeBSD include ZFS and Dtrace, and run quite well on x86 hardware?

X-Istence 14y ago

I run OpenIndiana on a variety of different X86 machines, both AMD and Intel without issues. So far compatibility hasn't been an issue that I've ran into and the operating system and everything around it is rock solid. Much better than the Linux machines that were replaced.

3amOpsGuy 14y ago

>> To me, ZFS and Dtrace are of no consequence >> there are many more people like me Recently I was wondering how can there be so many tech startups around just now. Nothing under the sun is new so how can they cut a living? Ive realised this attitude (which there is absolutely nothing wrong with) is the reason. The established players leave gaps for their own reasons and the little guy comes along and seizes the opportunity. Skipping over cheaply accessible best in class technology, at a philosophical level at least, seems akin to pointing a 12 gauge at your toes.