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It takes a truly wild level of being so mad at Trump that it makes you go full Reagan and extol the virtues of free trade and perpetual war to maintain the rese

It takes a truly wild level of being so mad at Trump that it makes you go full Reagan and extol the virtues of free trade and perpetual war to maintain the reserve currency.

hayst4ck 2y ago
Accusing someone of Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a rhetorical technique to pathologize dissent -- to call dissent a sickness, an irrationality. You did all but use the term. You're presupposing my anger at disastrous policy decisions as irrational to ignore addressing the critique directly. You're putting words in my mouth about Reagan, free trade, or perpetual war. I don't support "free" trade or "free" markets. I believe regulation is necessary, regulation, meaning to control the speed or flow of. Trade or Market's can't be free, only people can be free, and I believe in regulating markets and trade to promote freedom for people. I don't support war, but I also don't support neutrality. Justice requires taking a side in conflicts. Without solidarity, taking a side in disputes and being willing to sacrifice for the benefit of others, justice cannot prevail. You know you are literally supporting the policy of someone who is threatening Greenland, Canada, and Panama while also arguing against perpetual war right? Smashing trade relations is a prelude to performing actions our trading partners would disapprove of.
- rayiner 2y ago
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bigyabai 2y ago
Conversely, it must take a truly wild level of indifference towards American politics to watch globalism go up in flames and cheer. Regardless of where you stand on the aisle or how old you are, surely you can't feel much hope for America's economy watching the Apple supply chain capsize. The economy isn't scripted by Seth McFarlane, America's automotive business and manufacturing bases aren't going to start hiring again overnight. America has supported perpetual war in Palestine for decades and will continue to do so regardless of how globalism fares. There is not an informed citizen in America that will take this rhetoric seriously, we treat Tel Aviv like they're fighting WWIII but can't spare Maxar access to Ukraine during an active conflict. You want to associate globalism with conflict so badly, but you just can't deny that America will wage war regardless. It's tragic.
- hollerith 2y ago
  >watching the Apple supply chain capsize. A professional geographer says that Apple is almost unique among major American corporations in how dependent they have chosen to become on Chinese manufacturing. The US economy is in fact much less dependent on international trade than places like China, Germany, the Netherlands and most of the developing nations are. This self-sufficiency of the US economy has been true for at least a century (with a notable exception that the US was dependent on oil imports from about 1960 to 2018, which had the full attention of the US national-security establishment because of how important access to oil is during war). You don't hear about that much because the small parts of the US economy (mostly in the professional-managerial class) that profits the most from trade with China has been effective at convincing the public that the trade is more vital than it actually is. (Note that most Americans don't even know that the US economy is no longer dependent on oil imports.) And Apple will survive their mistake. I'm not a fan of Trump, but I'm even less a fan of the ideology that Mearsheimer calls "liberal hegemony" that is so quick to wage war on any non-democracy anywhere in the world no matter how tangential to American national security interests and no matter how awful and large the number who have died or become refugees in places like Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria because of past applications of this ideological commitment.
  - bigyabai 2y ago
    FWIW, the alternative to "liberal hegemony" in places like Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria is nuclear proliferation and human rights abuses. Between the window of Mearsheimer and Chomsky we see a pretty clear-cut obligation to protect our trade partners. We invoked Article 5 of NATO to fight a war on "terror" with the lives of other countries ken, now we're unwilling to even consider their own security? This isn't a path of conservative rectification, America isn't going to make itself less reliant on partners like Taiwan or more attractive than cheaper alternatives like China. We aren't going to fight less wars as a result, we aren't going to somehow create international demand for our goods while pricing them out of reach for most consumers. I don't know what to tell you here - Trump is far from my worst nightmare but it's plain to see that this will give America's faith-based economy a seizure.

It takes a truly wild level of being so mad at Trump that it makes you go full Reagan and extol the virtues of free trade and perpetual war to maintain the reserve currency.

hayst4ck 2y ago

Accusing someone of Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) is a rhetorical technique to pathologize dissent -- to call dissent a sickness, an irrationality. You did all but use the term. You're presupposing my anger at disastrous policy decisions as irrational to ignore addressing the critique directly. You're putting words in my mouth about Reagan, free trade, or perpetual war. I don't support "free" trade or "free" markets. I believe regulation is necessary, regulation, meaning to control the speed or flow of. Trade or Market's can't be free, only people can be free, and I believe in regulating markets and trade to promote freedom for people. I don't support war, but I also don't support neutrality. Justice requires taking a side in conflicts. Without solidarity, taking a side in disputes and being willing to sacrifice for the benefit of others, justice cannot prevail. You know you are literally supporting the policy of someone who is threatening Greenland, Canada, and Panama while also arguing against perpetual war right? Smashing trade relations is a prelude to performing actions our trading partners would disapprove of.

rayiner 2y ago
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bigyabai 2y ago

Conversely, it must take a truly wild level of indifference towards American politics to watch globalism go up in flames and cheer. Regardless of where you stand on the aisle or how old you are, surely you can't feel much hope for America's economy watching the Apple supply chain capsize. The economy isn't scripted by Seth McFarlane, America's automotive business and manufacturing bases aren't going to start hiring again overnight. America has supported perpetual war in Palestine for decades and will continue to do so regardless of how globalism fares. There is not an informed citizen in America that will take this rhetoric seriously, we treat Tel Aviv like they're fighting WWIII but can't spare Maxar access to Ukraine during an active conflict. You want to associate globalism with conflict so badly, but you just can't deny that America will wage war regardless. It's tragic.

hollerith 2y ago
>watching the Apple supply chain capsize. A professional geographer says that Apple is almost unique among major American corporations in how dependent they have chosen to become on Chinese manufacturing. The US economy is in fact much less dependent on international trade than places like China, Germany, the Netherlands and most of the developing nations are. This self-sufficiency of the US economy has been true for at least a century (with a notable exception that the US was dependent on oil imports from about 1960 to 2018, which had the full attention of the US national-security establishment because of how important access to oil is during war). You don't hear about that much because the small parts of the US economy (mostly in the professional-managerial class) that profits the most from trade with China has been effective at convincing the public that the trade is more vital than it actually is. (Note that most Americans don't even know that the US economy is no longer dependent on oil imports.) And Apple will survive their mistake. I'm not a fan of Trump, but I'm even less a fan of the ideology that Mearsheimer calls "liberal hegemony" that is so quick to wage war on any non-democracy anywhere in the world no matter how tangential to American national security interests and no matter how awful and large the number who have died or become refugees in places like Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria because of past applications of this ideological commitment.
- bigyabai 2y ago
  FWIW, the alternative to "liberal hegemony" in places like Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and Syria is nuclear proliferation and human rights abuses. Between the window of Mearsheimer and Chomsky we see a pretty clear-cut obligation to protect our trade partners. We invoked Article 5 of NATO to fight a war on "terror" with the lives of other countries ken, now we're unwilling to even consider their own security? This isn't a path of conservative rectification, America isn't going to make itself less reliant on partners like Taiwan or more attractive than cheaper alternatives like China. We aren't going to fight less wars as a result, we aren't going to somehow create international demand for our goods while pricing them out of reach for most consumers. I don't know what to tell you here - Trump is far from my worst nightmare but it's plain to see that this will give America's faith-based economy a seizure.