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>uniform, unbiased, automated enforcement of law? the only uniform thing would be data collection, loss of privacy, and being a victim of gov-t oppression. "u

by slt2021 2y ago

>uniform, unbiased, automated enforcement of law? the only uniform thing would be data collection, loss of privacy, and being a victim of gov-t oppression. "unbiased" - depends on the bias inherent to the training dataset and enforcement algorithm. Areas with more sensors will get more enforcement. what if you a victim of false positive? you wont be able to appeal to "unbiased automated enforcement" just look at recent events, when Trump just stripped some students of their greencards and deported them with 0 due process. or took a guy with some random tatoo and sent one way to El Salvador...

mitthrowaway2 2y ago
How is getting ticketed for speeding "being a victim of government oppression"? By "bias inherent to the training dataset and enforcement algorithm", are you talking about anything other than "areas with more sensors"? These aren't exactly LLMs; it's kind of like saying vending machines might be biased because there are more of them in certain areas. The areas where there are more of them will indeed be the areas where speeding rules get more strongly enforced (eg. school zones), so if you don't want cars speeding through your neighbourhood, you'd want to have better coverage. The areas with no enforcement would be the neighbourhoods being discriminated against, so is your view that it's better to have speed cameras nowhere? As for due process, that seems entirely unrelated but if anything this puts you in a better spot. If you are a victim of false positive, the recording is right there, you download it from the web portal, review whether it was really a false positive or not, and if so, take it to court to dispute the charge. You don't have to he-said-she-said with a police officer who might, if they were feeling especially vindictive, plant some evidence on you during the traffic stop.
- slt2021 2y ago
  tickets is only a pretext, surveillance and loss of privacy will affect anyone regardless of whether they drive the speed limit or exceed it. this is what fundamentally people don't understand. They look at one government failure (inability to enforce order on roadways), and cheer to spend taxpayer money to erect a techno-fascist surveillance state. Sure, if you speed you will get ticket, but also if you post anything against the US government or against Israel, you will be tracked and thugs will come knocking your door. It is fundamentally wrong to allow government to massively track and collect data on citizens, as it makes it trivial to track and harass people since all your data is in one place, one SQL query away and the state will use it against you

mitthrowaway2 2y ago

How is getting ticketed for speeding "being a victim of government oppression"? By "bias inherent to the training dataset and enforcement algorithm", are you talking about anything other than "areas with more sensors"? These aren't exactly LLMs; it's kind of like saying vending machines might be biased because there are more of them in certain areas. The areas where there are more of them will indeed be the areas where speeding rules get more strongly enforced (eg. school zones), so if you don't want cars speeding through your neighbourhood, you'd want to have better coverage. The areas with no enforcement would be the neighbourhoods being discriminated against, so is your view that it's better to have speed cameras nowhere? As for due process, that seems entirely unrelated but if anything this puts you in a better spot. If you are a victim of false positive, the recording is right there, you download it from the web portal, review whether it was really a false positive or not, and if so, take it to court to dispute the charge. You don't have to he-said-she-said with a police officer who might, if they were feeling especially vindictive, plant some evidence on you during the traffic stop.

slt2021 2y ago
tickets is only a pretext, surveillance and loss of privacy will affect anyone regardless of whether they drive the speed limit or exceed it. this is what fundamentally people don't understand. They look at one government failure (inability to enforce order on roadways), and cheer to spend taxpayer money to erect a techno-fascist surveillance state. Sure, if you speed you will get ticket, but also if you post anything against the US government or against Israel, you will be tracked and thugs will come knocking your door. It is fundamentally wrong to allow government to massively track and collect data on citizens, as it makes it trivial to track and harass people since all your data is in one place, one SQL query away and the state will use it against you