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I used to be a Wikipedia donor, until there was an article that made the rounds a few years ago that argued that Wikipedia-the-website is essentially funded in

I used to be a Wikipedia donor, until there was an article that made the rounds a few years ago that argued that Wikipedia-the-website is essentially funded in perpetuity, and that the "Jimmy Wales needs your help or kittens will die" scarebanners are actually raising money for the Wikimedia foundation to spend on its own political ends.

danpalmer 2y ago
"its own political ends" being Wikipedia shaped things, that seems like a fairly good thing to donate to.
- jjice 2y ago
  I’m personally cool with Wikimedia doing whatever they want with their notations since it’s public and everything, but the donation banners definitely lead you to believe that it goes directly towards hosting if you don’t dive in.
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  - tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
    And that unless people donate right now, Wikipedia is actually at risk. I've seen far too many comments of people who fell for that lie and donated even though they really didn't have money to spare, because the fear of losing such an important resource drove them to it.
    - palata 2y ago
      I donated to "Wikipedia" for years until I learned that it was actually not really going to Wikipedia. I completely stopped now.
- bsimpson 2y ago
  I found the Twitter thread that I believe was the source of this; claims that they granted money to culture war institutions: https://x.com/echetus/status/1579776106034757633 https://x.com/echetus/status/1579776106034757633 I love Wikipedia as a free source of history, but I have no interest in donating money to them as a proxy in the culture war.
  - danpalmer 2y ago
    Then we disagree on the value of Wikipedia. "History" has historically been written by those in positions of power and is biased by that. It feels very much in line with Wikipedia's value proposition of being a "free source of history" that they are trying to improve equity and unbias that source by adding more underrepresented voices. Funding racial equity programs seems a reasonable way of achieving that. This thread (public link: https://nitter.net/echetus/status/1579776106034757633 https://nitter.net/echetus/status/1579776106034757633) mostly suggests that is where that funding is going. It also picks on a few specific cases and positions them as bad, but given that the thread is written from the standpoint that racial equity is bad, I'm not inclined to take the couple of cherry picked examples at face value. There are valid reasons to critique them.
    - palata 2y ago
      I believe that the criticism is not about what the Wikimedia Foundation does specifically. The criticism is that the Wikimedia Foundation makes people believe that Wikipedia needs funding, so that people donate thinking that they contribute to Wikipedia. Personally I have nothing against the Wikimedia Foundation, but when I learned that I was not actually donating to Wikipedia, I felt tricked. They lost my trust because they made me feel like I was tricked.
      - topranks 2y ago
        What is Wikipedia by that measure? The Wikimedia Foundation host Wikipedia. The servers, power, connectivity, bandwidth and engineers who maintain it are all paid from donations on the site.
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- rvba 2y ago
  It is not wikipedia shaping things. It's politics, travel and lunches. The foundation does not csre about wikipedia. They dont even try to clean it up from the agents who "shape" articles. You very often can see a situation where two admins help each other. Nobody reviews this really. I mean you can ask a "check user" - who will decline to check if the admins arent sock puppet accounts / multi accounts. Nobody from foundation fights the deletionist, dishonest admin clique and people who discourage everyone feom editing wikipedia by racing to have the most reverts. (Also what is with the random quotes added to every article now, that look like writing of 12 year olds. No more concise articles)
- palata 2y ago
  But that's not Wikipedia. Because the Wikimedia Foundation has Wikipedia, which I love, doesn't mean I love (or even know) everything the Wikimedia Foundation does. I would donate to Wikipedia, but they apparently don't need it. Same thing for Firefox: I would donate to Firefox, but I have to give to Mozilla that does a bunch of other stuff and doesn't even treat Firefox the way I would want them to. So I don't donate.
patrick451 2y ago
Same. After learning that Wikipedia is not, in fact, about to go off the internet for lack of funds, I came to hold a very dim view Wikipedia organization.
random3 2y ago
Somehow you have a problem donating to a free service that has imense utility, because of some random reasons someone posted online, but likely paying for tons of other crap that is proven to finance various stuff that you’d be against, but have no clue it’s happening.
- chneu 2y ago
  The wikimedia foundation spends a ton of money on nonsense stuff. Look it up, a lot of people don't like the wikimedia foundation for very valid reasons. The constant calls for donations are to support the foundation, not the website, but they make it look like Wikipedia could disappear at any moment. Their cost for bandwidth is a rounding error vs their salaries and other costs that the foundation racks up. https://youtu.be/MpeOFvxor_0 https://youtu.be/MpeOFvxor_0

danpalmer 2y ago

"its own political ends" being Wikipedia shaped things, that seems like a fairly good thing to donate to.

jjice 2y ago
I’m personally cool with Wikimedia doing whatever they want with their notations since it’s public and everything, but the donation banners definitely lead you to believe that it goes directly towards hosting if you don’t dive in.
- deleted 2y ago
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- tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
  And that unless people donate right now, Wikipedia is actually at risk. I've seen far too many comments of people who fell for that lie and donated even though they really didn't have money to spare, because the fear of losing such an important resource drove them to it.
  - palata 2y ago
    I donated to "Wikipedia" for years until I learned that it was actually not really going to Wikipedia. I completely stopped now.
bsimpson 2y ago
I found the Twitter thread that I believe was the source of this; claims that they granted money to culture war institutions: https://x.com/echetus/status/1579776106034757633 https://x.com/echetus/status/1579776106034757633 I love Wikipedia as a free source of history, but I have no interest in donating money to them as a proxy in the culture war.
- danpalmer 2y ago
  Then we disagree on the value of Wikipedia. "History" has historically been written by those in positions of power and is biased by that. It feels very much in line with Wikipedia's value proposition of being a "free source of history" that they are trying to improve equity and unbias that source by adding more underrepresented voices. Funding racial equity programs seems a reasonable way of achieving that. This thread (public link: https://nitter.net/echetus/status/1579776106034757633 https://nitter.net/echetus/status/1579776106034757633) mostly suggests that is where that funding is going. It also picks on a few specific cases and positions them as bad, but given that the thread is written from the standpoint that racial equity is bad, I'm not inclined to take the couple of cherry picked examples at face value. There are valid reasons to critique them.
  - palata 2y ago
    I believe that the criticism is not about what the Wikimedia Foundation does specifically. The criticism is that the Wikimedia Foundation makes people believe that Wikipedia needs funding, so that people donate thinking that they contribute to Wikipedia. Personally I have nothing against the Wikimedia Foundation, but when I learned that I was not actually donating to Wikipedia, I felt tricked. They lost my trust because they made me feel like I was tricked.
    - topranks 2y ago
      What is Wikipedia by that measure? The Wikimedia Foundation host Wikipedia. The servers, power, connectivity, bandwidth and engineers who maintain it are all paid from donations on the site.
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rvba 2y ago
It is not wikipedia shaping things. It's politics, travel and lunches. The foundation does not csre about wikipedia. They dont even try to clean it up from the agents who "shape" articles. You very often can see a situation where two admins help each other. Nobody reviews this really. I mean you can ask a "check user" - who will decline to check if the admins arent sock puppet accounts / multi accounts. Nobody from foundation fights the deletionist, dishonest admin clique and people who discourage everyone feom editing wikipedia by racing to have the most reverts. (Also what is with the random quotes added to every article now, that look like writing of 12 year olds. No more concise articles)
palata 2y ago
But that's not Wikipedia. Because the Wikimedia Foundation has Wikipedia, which I love, doesn't mean I love (or even know) everything the Wikimedia Foundation does. I would donate to Wikipedia, but they apparently don't need it. Same thing for Firefox: I would donate to Firefox, but I have to give to Mozilla that does a bunch of other stuff and doesn't even treat Firefox the way I would want them to. So I don't donate.

patrick451 2y ago

Same. After learning that Wikipedia is not, in fact, about to go off the internet for lack of funds, I came to hold a very dim view Wikipedia organization.

random3 2y ago

Somehow you have a problem donating to a free service that has imense utility, because of some random reasons someone posted online, but likely paying for tons of other crap that is proven to finance various stuff that you’d be against, but have no clue it’s happening.

chneu 2y ago
The wikimedia foundation spends a ton of money on nonsense stuff. Look it up, a lot of people don't like the wikimedia foundation for very valid reasons. The constant calls for donations are to support the foundation, not the website, but they make it look like Wikipedia could disappear at any moment. Their cost for bandwidth is a rounding error vs their salaries and other costs that the foundation racks up. https://youtu.be/MpeOFvxor_0 https://youtu.be/MpeOFvxor_0