5 ms·

Telegram is a joke in professional cryptography circles https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/726428912968982529 https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/72642891296

by maqp 2y ago

Telegram is a joke in professional cryptography circles https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/726428912968982529 https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/726428912968982529

palata 2y ago
To me it's just not an encrypted messaging app. I don't even get all the discussions about it... It's a bit like if we analysed the E2EE guarantees of email over and over again. Every year, multitudes of people would publish a post explaining how email is "badly encrypted". Well, email is not E2EE, period. If you want E2EE, use a system that has E2EE.
- maqp 2y ago
  That would be fine unless Telegram 1) Didn't say it was "Heavily encrypted" on its front page. 2) Didn't claim it was more private than WhatsApp which is always end-to-end encrypted with Signal protocol. 3) Didn't claim secret chats were somehow adequate.
emptysongglass 2y ago
You're again linking to old critiques of an old protocol no longer in use. Can you stop doing that, please?
- maqp 2y ago
  No. I will not stop pointing out the hubris and nepotism in the company. No real changes have been made in who's designing security for Telegram, so their past is their future. Incompetent people doing crap job.
  - emptysongglass 2y ago
    Except to the protocol, which you continue to post aged posts identifying vulnerabilities that have nothing to do with the rewritten version. That is not honest presentation of the facts.
    - maqp 2y ago
      >That is not honest presentation of the facts. They have f'd up in the past, and since they still employ the same incompetent nepo-hirings, they will continue to f up in the future. Until they own their mistakes and E2EE everything, like they should have done in the first place, I will keep pointing out their incompetence, past and present. You do not get to rewrite their history by telling people to shut up.
      - emptysongglass 2y ago
        That's all well and good, but be truthful in your presentation.

by maqp 2y ago

Telegram is a joke in professional cryptography circles https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/726428912968982529 https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/726428912968982529

palata 2y ago

To me it's just not an encrypted messaging app. I don't even get all the discussions about it... It's a bit like if we analysed the E2EE guarantees of email over and over again. Every year, multitudes of people would publish a post explaining how email is "badly encrypted". Well, email is not E2EE, period. If you want E2EE, use a system that has E2EE.

maqp 2y ago
That would be fine unless Telegram 1) Didn't say it was "Heavily encrypted" on its front page. 2) Didn't claim it was more private than WhatsApp which is always end-to-end encrypted with Signal protocol. 3) Didn't claim secret chats were somehow adequate.

emptysongglass 2y ago

You're again linking to old critiques of an old protocol no longer in use. Can you stop doing that, please?

maqp 2y ago
No. I will not stop pointing out the hubris and nepotism in the company. No real changes have been made in who's designing security for Telegram, so their past is their future. Incompetent people doing crap job.
- emptysongglass 2y ago
  Except to the protocol, which you continue to post aged posts identifying vulnerabilities that have nothing to do with the rewritten version. That is not honest presentation of the facts.
  - maqp 2y ago
    >That is not honest presentation of the facts. They have f'd up in the past, and since they still employ the same incompetent nepo-hirings, they will continue to f up in the future. Until they own their mistakes and E2EE everything, like they should have done in the first place, I will keep pointing out their incompetence, past and present. You do not get to rewrite their history by telling people to shut up.
    - emptysongglass 2y ago
      That's all well and good, but be truthful in your presentation.