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> Upload your static site to us How do you prevent abuse, like illegal material?

jkingsman 2y ago
This is the challenge. This is tiny and delightful, but most hosting systems are monsters from a compliance perspective not because of a hunger for bureaucracy but that content moderation is SUPER hard.
- shishcat 2y ago
  you can easily find entire VMs for 2€/month on sites like LES
- kupopuffs 2y ago
  people assuming that LE are going after smalltime hosting
- diggan 2y ago
  > content moderation is SUPER hard That's a bit over-exaggerated, it certainly isn't fun, nor very interesting, but it's doable, even for smaller organizations. Today is even easier as classification/labeling ML models are pretty good even without any fine-tuning/training on your own dataset.
Helithumper 2y ago
Could be useful to have a tool similar to https://git.0x0.st/mia/0x0#moderation-ui https://git.0x0.st/mia/0x0#moderation-ui
- aitchnyu 2y ago
  Tangential, how heavy is a NSFW classifier for a VPS? This link leads to a HuggingFace model with Telegram id of author offering premium model.
  - diggan 2y ago
    > how heavy is a NSFW classifier for a VPS? Not heavy at all, they're really tiny in the grand scale of things and can easily run on CPU only unless you're wanna classify 100s of items per second.
Andoryuuta 2y ago
I'm not sure why it would be different from any other hosting provider. They do clarify what they consider abuse / forbidden content, and their operational policies though: [1]: https://pico.sh/abuse https://pico.sh/abuse [2]: https://pico.sh/ops#code-of-content-publication https://pico.sh/ops#code-of-content-publication
ashishb 2y ago
And that's why no one can offer this sustainably for $2/month. There is a cost of policing for illegal stuff as well as outright terrible stuff that requires fair bit of effort.
- wongarsu 2y ago
  Granted, the market for shared hosting has settled closer to $6, but OVH, Hetzner and Netcup all still offer shared hosting for $2/month, with a free domain on top. And all three are in this market for ages now. They limit you to static pages, PHP and a MySQL database, but you can do plenty of illegal stuff with that.
  - ashishb 2y ago
    Wait till they get popular, and then they will abandon this.
    - jorams 2y ago
      I'm not sure about netcup, but Hetzner and OVH are very large, very popular hosting providers that have been in this game for decades.
- rendx 2y ago
  You can even get full 'root' on a virtual machine for that price, and plenty of webhosting options. https://lowendbox.com/blog/2-usd-vps-cheap-vps-under-2-month/ https://lowendbox.com/blog/2-usd-vps-cheap-vps-under-2-month... For many years now I've been hosting my IRC bouncer on a $13/yr VPS at netcup and it has been more stable than some of my other VPSes.
qudat 2y ago
Good question. Right now we run some ML models to check for illegal content and then respond immediately with the ban hammer. We also monitor content published on our platform with some admin tools we built.

This is the challenge. This is tiny and delightful, but most hosting systems are monsters from a compliance perspective not because of a hunger for bureaucracy but that content moderation is SUPER hard.

shishcat 2y ago
you can easily find entire VMs for 2€/month on sites like LES
kupopuffs 2y ago
people assuming that LE are going after smalltime hosting
diggan 2y ago
> content moderation is SUPER hard That's a bit over-exaggerated, it certainly isn't fun, nor very interesting, but it's doable, even for smaller organizations. Today is even easier as classification/labeling ML models are pretty good even without any fine-tuning/training on your own dataset.

Helithumper 2y ago

Could be useful to have a tool similar to https://git.0x0.st/mia/0x0#moderation-ui https://git.0x0.st/mia/0x0#moderation-ui

aitchnyu 2y ago
Tangential, how heavy is a NSFW classifier for a VPS? This link leads to a HuggingFace model with Telegram id of author offering premium model.
- diggan 2y ago
  > how heavy is a NSFW classifier for a VPS? Not heavy at all, they're really tiny in the grand scale of things and can easily run on CPU only unless you're wanna classify 100s of items per second.

Andoryuuta 2y ago

I'm not sure why it would be different from any other hosting provider. They do clarify what they consider abuse / forbidden content, and their operational policies though: [1]: https://pico.sh/abuse https://pico.sh/abuse [2]: https://pico.sh/ops#code-of-content-publication https://pico.sh/ops#code-of-content-publication

ashishb 2y ago

And that's why no one can offer this sustainably for $2/month. There is a cost of policing for illegal stuff as well as outright terrible stuff that requires fair bit of effort.

wongarsu 2y ago
Granted, the market for shared hosting has settled closer to $6, but OVH, Hetzner and Netcup all still offer shared hosting for $2/month, with a free domain on top. And all three are in this market for ages now. They limit you to static pages, PHP and a MySQL database, but you can do plenty of illegal stuff with that.
- ashishb 2y ago
  Wait till they get popular, and then they will abandon this.
  - jorams 2y ago
    I'm not sure about netcup, but Hetzner and OVH are very large, very popular hosting providers that have been in this game for decades.
rendx 2y ago
You can even get full 'root' on a virtual machine for that price, and plenty of webhosting options. https://lowendbox.com/blog/2-usd-vps-cheap-vps-under-2-month/ https://lowendbox.com/blog/2-usd-vps-cheap-vps-under-2-month... For many years now I've been hosting my IRC bouncer on a $13/yr VPS at netcup and it has been more stable than some of my other VPSes.

qudat 2y ago

Good question. Right now we run some ML models to check for illegal content and then respond immediately with the ban hammer. We also monitor content published on our platform with some admin tools we built.