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I agree that a lot of people don't care. But the government installs secure rooms (SCIFs) in various locations for the safe discussion of classified material:

I agree that a lot of people don't care. But the government installs secure rooms (SCIFs) in various locations for the safe discussion of classified material: https://www.yahoo.com/news/scif-inside-high-security-rooms-230101094.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/scif-inside-high-security-rooms-2... Just because Signal comes preinstalled on devices doesn't automatically mean it's intended for discussion of classified material.

hypeatei 2y ago
Exactly, Signal should be used for "official" things like scheduling lunch with colleagues. I don't think it's proper (and potentially illegal) to be planning the things they did on there. It's too easy to screw up which is why the public knows about it now; you're not able to easily invite third parties into a SCIF.
- tomjakubowski 2y ago
  Scheduling lunch is a great example. It's the kind of low-grade information which would be marginally beneficial to adversaries (who might arrange to, say, bug a restaurant if they knew VIPs would be meeting there), so it's worth hiding, but it's not really of public interest so doesn't need to be recorded durably. And the downside of leaking impending lunch plans to a journalist, one time, by accident, is likely inconsequential compared to, say, leaking impending military attack plans to a journalist, one time, by accident.
mdhb 2y ago
Signal does not come preinstalled on devices for them. He lied about that.
- lunarlull 2y ago
  Can you cite something to corroborate that claim?
  - mdhb 2y ago
    https://www.scribd.com/document/843124910/NSA-full https://www.scribd.com/document/843124910/NSA-full It’s not even approved for unclassified information that’s used in an official capacity.
  - djeastm 2y ago
    I'd have liked to see the CIA Director cite something to corroborate HIS claim. The Biden Administration strongly denies his claim. >Former Biden officials, though, said that Signal was never permitted on their government phones. “We were not allowed to have any messaging apps on our work phones,” said one former top national security official on the condition of anonymity. “And under no circumstances were unclassified messaging apps allowed to be used for transmission of classified material. This is misdirection at its worst.” https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-war-plans-signal-biden_n_67e335b2e4b01ed2b00d9c14 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-war-plans-signal-biden_...

hypeatei 2y ago

Exactly, Signal should be used for "official" things like scheduling lunch with colleagues. I don't think it's proper (and potentially illegal) to be planning the things they did on there. It's too easy to screw up which is why the public knows about it now; you're not able to easily invite third parties into a SCIF.

tomjakubowski 2y ago
Scheduling lunch is a great example. It's the kind of low-grade information which would be marginally beneficial to adversaries (who might arrange to, say, bug a restaurant if they knew VIPs would be meeting there), so it's worth hiding, but it's not really of public interest so doesn't need to be recorded durably. And the downside of leaking impending lunch plans to a journalist, one time, by accident, is likely inconsequential compared to, say, leaking impending military attack plans to a journalist, one time, by accident.

mdhb 2y ago

Signal does not come preinstalled on devices for them. He lied about that.

lunarlull 2y ago
Can you cite something to corroborate that claim?
- mdhb 2y ago
  https://www.scribd.com/document/843124910/NSA-full https://www.scribd.com/document/843124910/NSA-full It’s not even approved for unclassified information that’s used in an official capacity.
- djeastm 2y ago
  I'd have liked to see the CIA Director cite something to corroborate HIS claim. The Biden Administration strongly denies his claim. >Former Biden officials, though, said that Signal was never permitted on their government phones. “We were not allowed to have any messaging apps on our work phones,” said one former top national security official on the condition of anonymity. “And under no circumstances were unclassified messaging apps allowed to be used for transmission of classified material. This is misdirection at its worst.” https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-war-plans-signal-biden_n_67e335b2e4b01ed2b00d9c14 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-war-plans-signal-biden_...