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If you remove yourself from a group, how will they change their minds without a dissenting opinion? I had to do it myself eventually, for my own sanity, but I b
by pcblues 2y ago
If you remove yourself from a group, how will they change their minds without a dissenting opinion? I had to do it myself eventually, for my own sanity, but I believe this is still a real problem I am no longer addressing among my loved ones.
- rdegges 2y agoIn my case, my goal isn't to change anyone's mind. It's to preserve sanity -- I can't in good faith "pretend" to get along and have normal conversations when people are actively engaging in behavior that directly harms myself and others.
- fastball 2y agoCould you give an example of behavior that "directly" harmed yourself or others which caused you to sever ties? Politics is almost always indirect, usually with multiple levels of indirection.
- Philpax 2y agoPeople proudly voting for parties and policies that demonise trans people, of which I know many. I cannot be your friend in good conscience if you're willing to destroy the lives of my other friends.
- duckfan 2y agoHow are their lives being destroyed? Being told that you have to follow the same rules as everyone else for e.g. spaces designated to be used solely by the opposite sex, doesn't seem so bad.
- Philpax 2y agoI don't believe you're asking this question in good faith, but there are many, many attempts at erasing them from public existence: https://translegislation.com/ https://translegislation.com/
- bakugo 2y agoPlease define "erasing them from public existence". Provide concrete actions that are actively being taken, not vague concepts of "bad things".
- Philpax 2y agoI would recommend clicking on the link and scrolling down.
- tekla 2y agoNot answering question.
- bakugo 2y agoI did. It's almost nothing but intentionally obtuse terms that mask the actual issues being discussed. For example, what exactly is "gender-affirming care"? Because I suspect that includes giving life-altering drugs to young children.
- duckfan 2y ago[dead]
- jccalhoun 2y agoThis is an oversimplified strawman argument. Biological sex is a complex subject. The cultural understanding of sex is complex. If I has a man take my 2 year old daughter to the men's room is that a bad thing? (For the record I don't have any children)
- duckfan 2y agoI don't think anyone is arguing that you should be barred from taking your hypothetical two-year-old daughter into the men's bathroom if the need arises. That's really not the issue.
- jccalhoun 2y agobut I thought "Being told that you have to follow the same rules as everyone else for e.g. spaces designated to be used solely by the opposite sex, doesn't seem so bad."?
- duckfan 2y agoPerhaps think on that a bit more then. Consider for example that female-only spaces don't exclude women who are pregnant with male babies.
- bigstrat2003 2y agoThat is, by definition, indirect. So that doesn't qualify as "directly harming" anyone, even if your analysis of those policies is otherwise accurate.
- HDThoreaun 2y agoNo it isn’t. When people see the anti trans party winning elections they see that as permission to bully trans people. The vote directly leads to abuse.
- fastball 2y agoYes, it very much is indirect. Direct would be the "anti trans party" passing a law saying that you must bully trans people.
- HDThoreaun 2y agoYour definition of direct is terrible
- fastball 2y agoI'd be happy to hear your definition of direct, which somehow includes a bunch of indirect things happening.
- HDThoreaun 2y agovoting for trump tells everyone in the country that you dont mind if trans people are abused. This creates a culture that is uninviting even if no one acts poorly beyond the voting. You dont have to physically abuse someone for your actions to have direct consequences
- fastball 1y ago> voting for trump tells everyone in the country that you dont mind if trans people are abused It literally does not. You can vote for Trump without ever having thought of trans people a day in your life, much less thought of "abusing" them. Additionally and AFAIK, Trump himself has never expressed a desire to abuse trans people, according to a normal and accepted definition of "abuse".
- StefanBatory 2y agoI am bi, my "friends" would hate LGBT people, constantly talk how we're pedophiles and so on, and kept voting for parties against equal rights.
- fastball 2y agoIf your "friends" were calling you or your other friends pedophiles (and you are not) then yes, absolutely, you should not be friends with them.
- bakugo 2y agoSo, basically, you believe that everyone who doesn't strictly adhere to your own ideologies is insane. You're pretty much the exact kind of person that the article talks about.
- pseudalopex 2y agoThey said nothing remotely similar.
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