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Ukraine was literally part of the USSR at the start of the cold war, and a satellite state following the breakup. It seems like this is a low point for Russia
by s1artibartfast 2y ago
Ukraine was literally part of the USSR at the start of the cold war, and a satellite state following the breakup.
It seems like this is a low point for Russia - a protracted hot war on what was previously its own turf.
- dragonwriter 2y ago> It seems like this is a low point for Russia - a protracted hot war on what was previously its own turf. That kind of “low point” is most of the history of the independent Russian Federation, given the first (1994-1996) and second (1999-2009) Chechen wars and the North Caucasus insurgency (2009-2017).
- s1artibartfast 2y agoI dont disagree. The cold war has not gone well for the USSR and Russia. Thats why I think it is absurd to say it is winning.
- philistine 2y agoThere is this idea that the breakup of Russia and Ukraine was bloodless in 1991, but that a military response was inevitable from the petulant displeased Russian state. We managed to delay the fight, but it was kind of inevitable.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoI don't think that is true at all, especially if the "we" is the west. This strikes me as some sort of savior complex. How has NATO delayed bloodshed in Ukraine between 1991 and 2022?
- philistine 2y agoAt first, Ukraine stayed firmly rooted in Russia's economical orbit. It's the slow inevitable lean towards Western Europe that enraged Russia. NATO had nothing to do with it. It's economical.