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He has twich.tv

pests 2y ago
#28 by DAU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_platforms_with_at_least_100_million_active_users https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_platforms_with_... Barely even makes the list. TikTok at #4 would be much more influential.
- explain 2y ago
  But a huge amount of propagation of Twitch content onto YouTube, TikTok and X. Influentially outsized.
  - asveikau 2y ago
    This kind of thing also has me surprised to see TikTok only at #4. A lot of content on Meta properties are now reposts from TikTok. It feels like the latter is driving conversation.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      But then add to that repost content the amount of Meta properties only posts that do not make TikTok. Essentially, TikTok + Meta > TikTok only
      - asveikau 2y ago
        That's not the sentiment I tend to hear from people who use both. I've heard a number of people point out that Meta platforms are stale copy of what you saw on TikTok a long time ago.
  - abdullahkhalids 2y ago
    Also many streamers have Discord servers for their fans.
- dylan604 2y ago
  Could you imagine if Bezos makes the same algo changes Musk did to Twitt...er,X so that you always see a Bezo video?
RobRivera 2y ago
Eh, I feel like twitch.tv is different enough. I agree with your observation, tho. I feel like twitch is more about e-celeb fan access. I dont think Destiny 'feed nathan' Dusty fans are doing a lot of peer to peer socialization. (Then again, maybe Im wrong).
- jajuuka 2y ago
  That's a good point. It would be like calling a music concert a social club. Some socializing occurs, but you're all there to watch someone entertain you.
candiddevmike 2y ago
Twitch is bleeding users to YouTube--watch time is consistently decreasing YoY. IMO, they're stuck between YouTube and Discord and can't figure out a compelling offering over the two.
- swyx 2y ago
  source of stats please?
  - stale2002 2y ago
    The stats are pretty public. https://twitchtracker.com/statistics https://twitchtracker.com/statistics This is on top of the fact that they laid off over half the company in the last couple years.
    - swyx 2y ago
      i'm not deep on this world so thank you for this. honestly yeah its declined some but not as bad as feared. it's still well above pre covid trendline.
- dmix 2y ago
  Why is that? Is it because the streaming creators are so chaotic? Or convergence on a centralized platform people already use (youtube)?
  - stale2002 2y ago
    Former Twitch employee of 4 years here. Its a combinations of 2 things. 1: The Malaise of Big Tech caught up to them years ago, and Twitch simply can't build anymore. They are way too slow, bloated, and they have a list of dozens and dozens of failed/shutdown products/feature that failed to create growth. They laid off over half the company in the last 3 years. 2: More nimble competitors like Kick.com have finally started seeing success. This is compounded by the fact that kick has an unlimited wallet, because it is funded by the massively successful crypto gambling company Stake. This war-chest has allowed them to buy streamers by simply paying everyone on the platform an hourly rate to stream, based on viewership. And they can do so, profitably, because the streaming platform is simply a loss leader for the gambling platform. Short story is, Twitch is screwed. They can't wait out the competitors like they did with previous platforms like mixer, because the new competitor isn't losing money. Gambling is massively profitable. And they are too slow and have laid off too many people, to be able to innovate their way out of its current mess. The only two paths they have left are a slow, but steady decline, or a hail mary play of firing their entire executive team and replacing it with people who will run Twitch like a wartime startup.
jeffwask 2y ago
Different kind of animal. A lot less reach into the older generations and a lot less control of the content.

He has twich.tv

#28 by DAU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_platforms_with_at_least_100_million_active_users https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_platforms_with_... Barely even makes the list. TikTok at #4 would be much more influential.

explain 2y ago
But a huge amount of propagation of Twitch content onto YouTube, TikTok and X. Influentially outsized.
- asveikau 2y ago
  This kind of thing also has me surprised to see TikTok only at #4. A lot of content on Meta properties are now reposts from TikTok. It feels like the latter is driving conversation.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    But then add to that repost content the amount of Meta properties only posts that do not make TikTok. Essentially, TikTok + Meta > TikTok only
    - asveikau 2y ago
      That's not the sentiment I tend to hear from people who use both. I've heard a number of people point out that Meta platforms are stale copy of what you saw on TikTok a long time ago.
- abdullahkhalids 2y ago
  Also many streamers have Discord servers for their fans.
dylan604 2y ago
Could you imagine if Bezos makes the same algo changes Musk did to Twitt...er,X so that you always see a Bezo video?

RobRivera 2y ago

Eh, I feel like twitch.tv is different enough. I agree with your observation, tho. I feel like twitch is more about e-celeb fan access. I dont think Destiny 'feed nathan' Dusty fans are doing a lot of peer to peer socialization. (Then again, maybe Im wrong).

jajuuka 2y ago
That's a good point. It would be like calling a music concert a social club. Some socializing occurs, but you're all there to watch someone entertain you.

candiddevmike 2y ago

Twitch is bleeding users to YouTube--watch time is consistently decreasing YoY. IMO, they're stuck between YouTube and Discord and can't figure out a compelling offering over the two.

swyx 2y ago
source of stats please?
- stale2002 2y ago
  The stats are pretty public. https://twitchtracker.com/statistics https://twitchtracker.com/statistics This is on top of the fact that they laid off over half the company in the last couple years.
  - swyx 2y ago
    i'm not deep on this world so thank you for this. honestly yeah its declined some but not as bad as feared. it's still well above pre covid trendline.
dmix 2y ago
Why is that? Is it because the streaming creators are so chaotic? Or convergence on a centralized platform people already use (youtube)?
- stale2002 2y ago
  Former Twitch employee of 4 years here. Its a combinations of 2 things. 1: The Malaise of Big Tech caught up to them years ago, and Twitch simply can't build anymore. They are way too slow, bloated, and they have a list of dozens and dozens of failed/shutdown products/feature that failed to create growth. They laid off over half the company in the last 3 years. 2: More nimble competitors like Kick.com have finally started seeing success. This is compounded by the fact that kick has an unlimited wallet, because it is funded by the massively successful crypto gambling company Stake. This war-chest has allowed them to buy streamers by simply paying everyone on the platform an hourly rate to stream, based on viewership. And they can do so, profitably, because the streaming platform is simply a loss leader for the gambling platform. Short story is, Twitch is screwed. They can't wait out the competitors like they did with previous platforms like mixer, because the new competitor isn't losing money. Gambling is massively profitable. And they are too slow and have laid off too many people, to be able to innovate their way out of its current mess. The only two paths they have left are a slow, but steady decline, or a hail mary play of firing their entire executive team and replacing it with people who will run Twitch like a wartime startup.

jeffwask 2y ago

Different kind of animal. A lot less reach into the older generations and a lot less control of the content.