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It's got nothing to do with being triggered and everything to do with this website trying to not also become completely flooded with political discussions > Of

It's got nothing to do with being triggered and everything to do with this website trying to not also become completely flooded with political discussions > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

infecto 2y ago
This is the way imo. I flagged this story, I believe in due process, I don’t agree with the administration but I also don’t want HN to become yet another tribal battleground and these posts only fuel those comments.
- chabes 2y ago
  HN has a lot of immigrants that work in the US. What is happening right now is relevant to many users of this site. Maybe think about this before knee-jerk flagging
  - infecto 2y ago
    Why do you assume it was knee-jerk? The spirit is not now relevant a story is but the value it has. These stories are everywhere and there is little nuance in it. The comments of such a story also add no value and are a low signal tribal us vs them.
- aaomidi 2y ago
  Wonder how you’ll feel if it’s your family sent to a prison in El Salvador. We are not in normal times to have normal rules.
  - infecto 2y ago
    Please don’t trivialize the suffering of others for the use of your argument. The spirit of HN guidelines still exist. What value do you believe is derived from a discussion like this?
    - aaomidi 2y ago
      [flagged]
    - totallynothoney 2y ago
      > Please don’t trivialize the suffering of others for the use of your argument. I believe the people sent to a gulag would dislike more people not eschewing the sanctity of a internet forum, than someone 'trivializing' their suffering by using them for argument about how their situation should be discussed in said forum. The value is that right now a HN user on a visa could be disappeared in to dungeon for months for political speech if Marco Rubio's goons notice him.
- jlongr 2y ago
  This isn't a court. Due process?? Politics cannot be avoided, it is part of the fabric of our lives.
  - infecto 2y ago
    Can you share your thoughts without being so hyperbolic?
    - ajb 2y ago
      Not the GP, but I'll give it a go: You may be familiar with the layer structure of communications: Internetwork layer,below that transport, below that link layer, and at the bottom the physical layer. The physical layer is where it gets really messy: noise, interference, reflections,whatever. In human interaction, at the bottom layer is the simple fact that at any time, any human can just not follow the rules. That's not necessarily wrong. Maybe the rule just isn't important, and everyone recognises that. Or maybe some deep moral principle should override it. But at that point, other people have to make a moral call - do they ignore this breach of the rules? Do they object? Do they assess the moral principle as overriding? The military have some usefully neutral terms for behaviors, one of which is 'revisionist'. A revisionist power wants to change the rules, a status quo power wants to keep them. It's fairly clear that the US government is presently a revisionist one. That means that pretty much everyone has now to make the call as to whether what they see is allowable or, given the scale and power of the US federal government, a five-alarm fire. And they will often want to take that to places where they have some kind of trust in the intelligence or good will of the other people there. For a lot of engineers, that's right here. If this were a workplace or uni, there would be break rooms and water-coolers where this kind of discussion could go. But HN has none of that - there's only one category of discussion. So if you flag every such discussion, you're denying them the opportunity to do that. And that's not keeping politics out of HN - that's a political act itself.
    - jlongr 2y ago
      I'm not hyperbolic, you're obtuse. If you think you can bury your head and ignore politics for any amount of time, you are mistaken. Your purchases, comments, and actions are all political and strategic, whether you want to believe them to be or not.

infecto 2y ago

This is the way imo. I flagged this story, I believe in due process, I don’t agree with the administration but I also don’t want HN to become yet another tribal battleground and these posts only fuel those comments.

chabes 2y ago
HN has a lot of immigrants that work in the US. What is happening right now is relevant to many users of this site. Maybe think about this before knee-jerk flagging
- infecto 2y ago
  Why do you assume it was knee-jerk? The spirit is not now relevant a story is but the value it has. These stories are everywhere and there is little nuance in it. The comments of such a story also add no value and are a low signal tribal us vs them.
aaomidi 2y ago
Wonder how you’ll feel if it’s your family sent to a prison in El Salvador. We are not in normal times to have normal rules.
- infecto 2y ago
  Please don’t trivialize the suffering of others for the use of your argument. The spirit of HN guidelines still exist. What value do you believe is derived from a discussion like this?
  - aaomidi 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - totallynothoney 2y ago
    > Please don’t trivialize the suffering of others for the use of your argument. I believe the people sent to a gulag would dislike more people not eschewing the sanctity of a internet forum, than someone 'trivializing' their suffering by using them for argument about how their situation should be discussed in said forum. The value is that right now a HN user on a visa could be disappeared in to dungeon for months for political speech if Marco Rubio's goons notice him.
jlongr 2y ago
This isn't a court. Due process?? Politics cannot be avoided, it is part of the fabric of our lives.
- infecto 2y ago
  Can you share your thoughts without being so hyperbolic?
  - ajb 2y ago
    Not the GP, but I'll give it a go: You may be familiar with the layer structure of communications: Internetwork layer,below that transport, below that link layer, and at the bottom the physical layer. The physical layer is where it gets really messy: noise, interference, reflections,whatever. In human interaction, at the bottom layer is the simple fact that at any time, any human can just not follow the rules. That's not necessarily wrong. Maybe the rule just isn't important, and everyone recognises that. Or maybe some deep moral principle should override it. But at that point, other people have to make a moral call - do they ignore this breach of the rules? Do they object? Do they assess the moral principle as overriding? The military have some usefully neutral terms for behaviors, one of which is 'revisionist'. A revisionist power wants to change the rules, a status quo power wants to keep them. It's fairly clear that the US government is presently a revisionist one. That means that pretty much everyone has now to make the call as to whether what they see is allowable or, given the scale and power of the US federal government, a five-alarm fire. And they will often want to take that to places where they have some kind of trust in the intelligence or good will of the other people there. For a lot of engineers, that's right here. If this were a workplace or uni, there would be break rooms and water-coolers where this kind of discussion could go. But HN has none of that - there's only one category of discussion. So if you flag every such discussion, you're denying them the opportunity to do that. And that's not keeping politics out of HN - that's a political act itself.
  - jlongr 2y ago
    I'm not hyperbolic, you're obtuse. If you think you can bury your head and ignore politics for any amount of time, you are mistaken. Your purchases, comments, and actions are all political and strategic, whether you want to believe them to be or not.