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> Understand they literally don't care about opsec, nor is there much reason why they should. yeah no that's not how any of this works. You don't get to chose

> Understand they literally don't care about opsec, nor is there much reason why they should. yeah no that's not how any of this works. You don't get to chose what's going through official channels and what's going through signal based on how you feel about the target capabilities

ty6853 2y ago
I'm evaluating why they don't seem to care, not justifying it.
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  because they could be held accountable. because it makes it easy to stovepipe sensitive information to Moscow, Beijing, et al. because they're lazy and stupid. and they're not justifying it because they don't have to, since there are not any meaningful consequences -- like jail or dismissal.
nailer 2y ago
Signal is an official channel, and has been since the Biden administration.
- lm28469 2y ago
  Official channel for military operations ? I very much doubt it
  - nailer 2y ago
    You’re welcome to doubt it and the DoD have their own channels for internal communications but the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) in 2024 issued guidance suggesting Signal as a “best practice” for highly targeted government officials, so it’s used in situations that cut across many departments as well as external organisations like this. People mistakenly believing that the issue is using Signal rather than simply accidentally adding a journalist is one of the major hallmarks of this case.
    - AlecSchueler 2y ago
      Isn't that recommendation for Signal in cases where they would otherwise use SMS? The aren't saying "use Signal for classified meetings" are they? They have their own apps for that.
      - nailer 2y ago
        It’s used on computers too. — “So that we’re clear, one of the first things that happened when I was confirmed as CIA director was Signal was loaded onto my computer at the CIA, as it is for most CIA officers,” Ratcliffe said. “One of the first things that I was briefed on very early, senator, by the CIA Records Management folks was the use of Signal as a permissible work use. It is. That is a practice that preceded the previous administration to the [former President Joe] Biden administration.”
        sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        You're continuing to skirt around the substance of the conversation: not for operationally sensitive or classified material. Signal is used for things like "get to a SCIF to discuss" or "what do you want from Starbucks?" It is not to be used for any non-public information: > Unmanaged 'messaging apps,' including any app with a chat feature, regardless of the primary function, are NOT authorized to access, transmit, process non-public DoD information. This includes but is not limited to messaging, gaming, and social media apps. (i.e., iMessage, WhatsApps, Signal). https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-UseOfUnclassMobileApps.pdf https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-...
        nailer 2y ago
        To me "permissible work use" at the CIA would be more than "what do you want from Starbucks?".
        sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        If you're at CIA, messaging a colleague at all is absolutely work use. Sorry but it's clear that in addition to — again — skirting the substance of the conversation, your barometer for just how security-conscious these types of organizations are is completely out of whack.

ty6853 2y ago

I'm evaluating why they don't seem to care, not justifying it.

red-iron-pine 2y ago
because they could be held accountable. because it makes it easy to stovepipe sensitive information to Moscow, Beijing, et al. because they're lazy and stupid. and they're not justifying it because they don't have to, since there are not any meaningful consequences -- like jail or dismissal.

nailer 2y ago

Signal is an official channel, and has been since the Biden administration.

lm28469 2y ago
Official channel for military operations ? I very much doubt it
- nailer 2y ago
  You’re welcome to doubt it and the DoD have their own channels for internal communications but the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) in 2024 issued guidance suggesting Signal as a “best practice” for highly targeted government officials, so it’s used in situations that cut across many departments as well as external organisations like this. People mistakenly believing that the issue is using Signal rather than simply accidentally adding a journalist is one of the major hallmarks of this case.
  - AlecSchueler 2y ago
    Isn't that recommendation for Signal in cases where they would otherwise use SMS? The aren't saying "use Signal for classified meetings" are they? They have their own apps for that.
    - nailer 2y ago
      It’s used on computers too. — “So that we’re clear, one of the first things that happened when I was confirmed as CIA director was Signal was loaded onto my computer at the CIA, as it is for most CIA officers,” Ratcliffe said. “One of the first things that I was briefed on very early, senator, by the CIA Records Management folks was the use of Signal as a permissible work use. It is. That is a practice that preceded the previous administration to the [former President Joe] Biden administration.”
      - sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        You're continuing to skirt around the substance of the conversation: not for operationally sensitive or classified material. Signal is used for things like "get to a SCIF to discuss" or "what do you want from Starbucks?" It is not to be used for any non-public information: > Unmanaged 'messaging apps,' including any app with a chat feature, regardless of the primary function, are NOT authorized to access, transmit, process non-public DoD information. This includes but is not limited to messaging, gaming, and social media apps. (i.e., iMessage, WhatsApps, Signal). https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-UseOfUnclassMobileApps.pdf https://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/Library/Memo-...
        nailer 2y ago
        To me "permissible work use" at the CIA would be more than "what do you want from Starbucks?".
        sorcerer-mar 2y ago
        If you're at CIA, messaging a colleague at all is absolutely work use. Sorry but it's clear that in addition to — again — skirting the substance of the conversation, your barometer for just how security-conscious these types of organizations are is completely out of whack.