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Yes. Waymo is safer than other drivers and makes the roads safer for everyone. https://waymo.com/blog/2024/09/safety-data-hub https://waymo.com/blog/2024/09/saf

by xnx 2y ago

Yes. Waymo is safer than other drivers and makes the roads safer for everyone. https://waymo.com/blog/2024/09/safety-data-hub https://waymo.com/blog/2024/09/safety-data-hub No other company is even close (i.e. 5-10 years behind) to where Waymo is on self driving maturity.

belter 2y ago
"Lies, Damn Lies, and Waymo Statistics" - https://ojoyoshidareport.com/lies-damn-lies-and-waymo-statistics/ https://ojoyoshidareport.com/lies-damn-lies-and-waymo-statis...
lm28469 2y ago
> No other company is even close (i.e. 5-10 years behind) to where Waymo is on self driving maturity. Not too hard when you stay inside like three or four cities with good weather, straight roads, &c.
- xnx 2y ago
  Better to self drive in some places than no places.
- jwagenet 2y ago
  > good weather I always see this argument but it seems like they did fine through the recent SF storms https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/waymo-robotaxis-storms-20067357.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/waymo-robotaxis-storm... Most of the US has non-freezing weather for most of the year, so aside from avoiding heavy rain, snow, and ice I’m not sure what more you want. > straight roads SF might have mostly straight roads, but it has complicated intersections, bed drivers, cyclists, double parked cars, etc. Waymo would do fine in any major city most of the year under most conditions.
  - nickthegreek 2y ago
    > Waymo would do fine in any major city most of the year under most condition There is no proof of this. I have yet to see these ever ferry passengers in snow, which in case you are unaware, is a common driving condition for many living in North America.
    - jwagenet 2y ago
      I mean, I literally excluded snow from “most conditions” and snow is not common most of the year in major North American cities (and is often plowed quickly).
    - creer 2y ago
      Snow and ice is in favor of vehicles with lots of computing on board - and not the wet kind.
  - lucyjojo 2y ago
    you might want to prefix city with "american".
jajko 2y ago
Well if thats the tip of the spear of FSD tech we're fucked, no way I will take robotaxi to work before I retire. Extremely limited environment well under control, almost always sunny, doing the same area for what - 10 or 15 years? Can it drive in rain & snow on narrow non-marked roads, then join traffic jams (or not) on highway at 120kmh, then enter city and navigate obscure construction works around it, crazy aggressive cyclists and scooters and get me where I need, 100% reliably? Or lets say >99.995%, thats roughly human frequent driver level. This is what I am willing to pay for, either as shared taxi or our own car, nothing less. Anything less is me doing all the driving requiring full attention, have that already in dumb cars.
- AlotOfReading 2y ago
  Waymo can indeed drive through rain and snow on narrow unmarked streets, as well as traffic jams and navigate obscure construction works with cyclists. Other than snow, it does all of those things in SF. They do snow testing in Tahoe and Michigan, not to mention the former testing in NYC.
  - xnx 2y ago
    Also weather testing in Buffalo, New York. One of the snowiest cities in the US.

by xnx 2y ago

belter 2y ago

"Lies, Damn Lies, and Waymo Statistics" - https://ojoyoshidareport.com/lies-damn-lies-and-waymo-statistics/ https://ojoyoshidareport.com/lies-damn-lies-and-waymo-statis...

lm28469 2y ago

> No other company is even close (i.e. 5-10 years behind) to where Waymo is on self driving maturity. Not too hard when you stay inside like three or four cities with good weather, straight roads, &c.

xnx 2y ago
Better to self drive in some places than no places.
jwagenet 2y ago
> good weather I always see this argument but it seems like they did fine through the recent SF storms https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/waymo-robotaxis-storms-20067357.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/waymo-robotaxis-storm... Most of the US has non-freezing weather for most of the year, so aside from avoiding heavy rain, snow, and ice I’m not sure what more you want. > straight roads SF might have mostly straight roads, but it has complicated intersections, bed drivers, cyclists, double parked cars, etc. Waymo would do fine in any major city most of the year under most conditions.
- nickthegreek 2y ago
  > Waymo would do fine in any major city most of the year under most condition There is no proof of this. I have yet to see these ever ferry passengers in snow, which in case you are unaware, is a common driving condition for many living in North America.
  - jwagenet 2y ago
    I mean, I literally excluded snow from “most conditions” and snow is not common most of the year in major North American cities (and is often plowed quickly).
  - creer 2y ago
    Snow and ice is in favor of vehicles with lots of computing on board - and not the wet kind.
- lucyjojo 2y ago
  you might want to prefix city with "american".

jajko 2y ago

Well if thats the tip of the spear of FSD tech we're fucked, no way I will take robotaxi to work before I retire. Extremely limited environment well under control, almost always sunny, doing the same area for what - 10 or 15 years? Can it drive in rain & snow on narrow non-marked roads, then join traffic jams (or not) on highway at 120kmh, then enter city and navigate obscure construction works around it, crazy aggressive cyclists and scooters and get me where I need, 100% reliably? Or lets say >99.995%, thats roughly human frequent driver level. This is what I am willing to pay for, either as shared taxi or our own car, nothing less. Anything less is me doing all the driving requiring full attention, have that already in dumb cars.

AlotOfReading 2y ago
Waymo can indeed drive through rain and snow on narrow unmarked streets, as well as traffic jams and navigate obscure construction works with cyclists. Other than snow, it does all of those things in SF. They do snow testing in Tahoe and Michigan, not to mention the former testing in NYC.
- xnx 2y ago
  Also weather testing in Buffalo, New York. One of the snowiest cities in the US.