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Guantanamo Bay is the real bipartisan moral stain here. It was set up exactly to cause this kind of situation, for the extralegal punishment of people deemed to

by pjc50 2y ago

Guantanamo Bay is the real bipartisan moral stain here. It was set up exactly to cause this kind of situation, for the extralegal punishment of people deemed to be terrorists. People claim that Obama "couldn't" close it, but I think DOGE have demonstrated with USAID that the President absolutely could have closed it by executive order and simply cutting off the pay of everyone there.

krapp 2y ago
>but I think DOGE have demonstrated with USAID that the President absolutely could have closed it by executive order and simply cutting off the pay of everyone there You're assuming the system would have been as compliant with Obama as they are with Trump, but I doubt that would have been the case. Congress passed a law to make it illegal for Obama to close Gitmo and simply refused to allow it, but their hands are mysteriously tied WRT Trump and DOGE.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  It was just 10 years ago too... To me, that underscores is how much of the current situation is bad-faith cultism.
watwut 2y ago
Tho, the level of law breaking by DOGE and Trump himself is unprecedented. Obviously Obama could became fascist as much as they are going, he could sieg heil too ... but him not being as far as them is a good thing about Obama. I am fine with the idea that it was an excuse back then. But, the "he could do the same anti-democratic anti-rule-of-law" decisions as Trump and Obama is not much argument. Second, Obama did not had supreme court saying "president is above the law and can break it" nor would right wing supreme court justices voted for it. Trump has that ruling, because his politics matches the one of the right wing supreme court justices. Third, Obama had actual opposition. Conservatives and republicans were opposing EVERYTHIGN he was doing. And had power to do so. Including when he adopted their own ideas. They even threw massive fit about suit of a wrong color. Right now, republicans have all the power including , majority in supreme court, so there are not checks or balances.

by pjc50 2y ago

krapp 2y ago

>but I think DOGE have demonstrated with USAID that the President absolutely could have closed it by executive order and simply cutting off the pay of everyone there You're assuming the system would have been as compliant with Obama as they are with Trump, but I doubt that would have been the case. Congress passed a law to make it illegal for Obama to close Gitmo and simply refused to allow it, but their hands are mysteriously tied WRT Trump and DOGE.

Terr_ 2y ago
It was just 10 years ago too... To me, that underscores is how much of the current situation is bad-faith cultism.

watwut 2y ago

Tho, the level of law breaking by DOGE and Trump himself is unprecedented. Obviously Obama could became fascist as much as they are going, he could sieg heil too ... but him not being as far as them is a good thing about Obama. I am fine with the idea that it was an excuse back then. But, the "he could do the same anti-democratic anti-rule-of-law" decisions as Trump and Obama is not much argument. Second, Obama did not had supreme court saying "president is above the law and can break it" nor would right wing supreme court justices voted for it. Trump has that ruling, because his politics matches the one of the right wing supreme court justices. Third, Obama had actual opposition. Conservatives and republicans were opposing EVERYTHIGN he was doing. And had power to do so. Including when he adopted their own ideas. They even threw massive fit about suit of a wrong color. Right now, republicans have all the power including , majority in supreme court, so there are not checks or balances.