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Honestly if I was American, I think I'd be pretty happy about that. Less strangers, less tourists, more Americans in America. And if people still want so despe

Honestly if I was American, I think I'd be pretty happy about that. Less strangers, less tourists, more Americans in America. And if people still want so desperately to come in my country, they got to follow the rules, whatever how stupid and outrageous they are. I know it's also contributing to slowing the economy, not only tourists but new talents, qualified migrants may think twice before getting in, external investment may be lower. But does it really matter to the American farmer or blue collar ?

saagarjha 2y ago
Of course it does. The American farmer or blue collar worker uses government services just like everyone else, and those are paid in part by talented immigrants and external investment.
- xxs 2y ago
  The economy being worse is too far of a connection. Most tourists and talented workers won't be visiting blue color farmers areas in general
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    Well, they didn't ask if people could connect the dots. They asked whether it matters, and it does.
    - xxs 2y ago
      The way I read it was not if it had effects (of course it does) but mostly how it'd be perceived personally: "I was American, I think I'd be pretty happy about that"
- aucisson_masque 2y ago
  Sure it has an impact, but marginal one, in economy everything is interconnected. And I believe those who voted for trump are against government services and more towards free market, so it's even more a non issue to them. At the end, it's more of America to Americans and less to strangers.
  - exe34 2y ago
    It makes sense, they want that silly communist Obamacare to be cancelled, as long as their own family can get good old fashioned American Medicaid. America for real Americans is a great idea! Hopefully they won't have to live in reservations anymore.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    I don't think the American farmer with close to 20% of income in government subsidies is really that eager for free market https://usafacts.org/articles/federal-farm-subsidies-what-data-says/ https://usafacts.org/articles/federal-farm-subsidies-what-da...
    - soco 2y ago
      What I've seen in people supporting far-right politics is that they never, but never, ever, see themselves on the receiving end of the stick. It's really difficult to grasp how they are immigrants yet support throwing out immigrants, some receive social support yet are totally fine with cutting it, and I could go on. Americans but not only, Europe has such politics as well.
blatantly 2y ago
Tourism alone probably won't affect those people but everything around the trade wars and everything else probably will.
bigbacaloa 2y ago
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JKCalhoun 2y ago
> they got to follow the rules, whatever how stupid and outrageous they are That's kind of the crux of the issue: stupid and outrageous rules.
kzrdude 2y ago
It matters a lot to the American farmers or blue collar workers who live close to the border with Canada or have family in Canada.
anentropic 2y ago
People aren't staying away because they object to following the rules of the country They are worried about extra-judicial incarcerations and deportations, in some cases apparently for political opinions i.e. thought crime Have a think about what your country is rapidly becoming
bitsandboots 2y ago
The US had incredible soft power. You could travel the world and still hear US news, and locals discussing their opinion on the US. US entertainment was inescapable. Now people in other countries are starting to find ways to do without US influence, and the admiration and interest is dwindling. The loss of soft power will hurt in indirect ways, but they will hurt.

saagarjha 2y ago

Of course it does. The American farmer or blue collar worker uses government services just like everyone else, and those are paid in part by talented immigrants and external investment.

xxs 2y ago
The economy being worse is too far of a connection. Most tourists and talented workers won't be visiting blue color farmers areas in general
- saagarjha 2y ago
  Well, they didn't ask if people could connect the dots. They asked whether it matters, and it does.
  - xxs 2y ago
    The way I read it was not if it had effects (of course it does) but mostly how it'd be perceived personally: "I was American, I think I'd be pretty happy about that"
aucisson_masque 2y ago
Sure it has an impact, but marginal one, in economy everything is interconnected. And I believe those who voted for trump are against government services and more towards free market, so it's even more a non issue to them. At the end, it's more of America to Americans and less to strangers.
- exe34 2y ago
  It makes sense, they want that silly communist Obamacare to be cancelled, as long as their own family can get good old fashioned American Medicaid. America for real Americans is a great idea! Hopefully they won't have to live in reservations anymore.
- viraptor 2y ago
  I don't think the American farmer with close to 20% of income in government subsidies is really that eager for free market https://usafacts.org/articles/federal-farm-subsidies-what-data-says/ https://usafacts.org/articles/federal-farm-subsidies-what-da...
  - soco 2y ago
    What I've seen in people supporting far-right politics is that they never, but never, ever, see themselves on the receiving end of the stick. It's really difficult to grasp how they are immigrants yet support throwing out immigrants, some receive social support yet are totally fine with cutting it, and I could go on. Americans but not only, Europe has such politics as well.

blatantly 2y ago

Tourism alone probably won't affect those people but everything around the trade wars and everything else probably will.

bigbacaloa 2y ago

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JKCalhoun 2y ago

> they got to follow the rules, whatever how stupid and outrageous they are That's kind of the crux of the issue: stupid and outrageous rules.

kzrdude 2y ago

It matters a lot to the American farmers or blue collar workers who live close to the border with Canada or have family in Canada.

anentropic 2y ago

People aren't staying away because they object to following the rules of the country They are worried about extra-judicial incarcerations and deportations, in some cases apparently for political opinions i.e. thought crime Have a think about what your country is rapidly becoming

bitsandboots 2y ago

The US had incredible soft power. You could travel the world and still hear US news, and locals discussing their opinion on the US. US entertainment was inescapable. Now people in other countries are starting to find ways to do without US influence, and the admiration and interest is dwindling. The loss of soft power will hurt in indirect ways, but they will hurt.