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You can love an art style and want to create images in that style without wanting to be an artist. My family and I absolutely love Ghibli films. I ran some fam

You can love an art style and want to create images in that style without wanting to be an artist. My family and I absolutely love Ghibli films. I ran some family photos through 4o and my wife was thrilled. It made her day. You can call it slop, you can say I'm not truly a fan, but I made my wife happy, and I can't see the harm. How is it "insulting their legacy"? You think people writing Harry Potter fan fiction are insulting J.K. Rowling?

krapp 2y ago
The harm comes from AI "entrepreneurs" making a business out of cloning Miyazaki's style - and the styles of countless lesser known artists - and flooding the market with garbage that cheapens the value of the original work and undermines the market for human talent. And from the people in the AI community who are already claiming this is superior to the original and celebrating the death of human art. And from the likelihood that people will become dependent on this technology - which will be forced down our throats whether we want it or not - and consider themselves artists having never bothered to learn how to express themselves or develop their own talent, or even be allowed the tools to do so beyond the bounds of what an AI intermediary allows. No one cares about your family photos. This isn't about you.
- SamPatt 2y ago
  >No one cares about your family photos. This isn't about you. My wife cares. That was the point of my comment.
  - krapp 2y ago
    The point of your comment was to imply that because you personally made some AI photos for your wife, and it made you happy, any argument that AI art could be harmful was null and void. You're like the person who comes into threads about gun violence and says they don't see what the problem is, since they only shoot watermelons in their backyard. Like, OK. You refuse to recognize the bigger issues at play, noted.
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    - tehjoker 2y ago
      What if the concept of art was like a gun?
voidUpdate 2y ago
People writing harry potter fan fiction are not just pressing the "make fan fiction" button (or at least they weren't in the past, maybe some are with chatgpt these days)
- lesostep 2y ago
  I'd like to add that fanfiction is also generally disallowed to make any money, unless all of the original influence is removed from it. And so the problem isn't with people who find joy in something they saw, but in people who make money from derivative work without explicit permission
cobertos 2y ago
The dopamine from an image edit like this is such a short term gain for all the long term effort that went into perfecting and performing a specific art style and it becoming a name and cultural _thing_. Groups of people staking their careers around something. If the technology stays, the commercial incentives to produce art with such a depth and craftsmanship will cease to happen (unless perhaps new styles would be generated to feed an LLM as part of an art pipeline? Maybe? Wishful thinking most likely). You won't be able to stand up a company like Studio Ghibli in the new market. You'll have a harder time even standing up a career as an artist in general, let along getting enough to come together to form a studio. This will be the last time art creation like this happens. You may love Ghibli, but this will kill the process the allowed Ghibli to form. --- Spread across all such art styles, art itself no longer signals any quality of the minds or depth of effort behind its creation. We will have to look elsewhere for things to love and that have meaning.

krapp 2y ago

The harm comes from AI "entrepreneurs" making a business out of cloning Miyazaki's style - and the styles of countless lesser known artists - and flooding the market with garbage that cheapens the value of the original work and undermines the market for human talent. And from the people in the AI community who are already claiming this is superior to the original and celebrating the death of human art. And from the likelihood that people will become dependent on this technology - which will be forced down our throats whether we want it or not - and consider themselves artists having never bothered to learn how to express themselves or develop their own talent, or even be allowed the tools to do so beyond the bounds of what an AI intermediary allows. No one cares about your family photos. This isn't about you.

SamPatt 2y ago
>No one cares about your family photos. This isn't about you. My wife cares. That was the point of my comment.
- krapp 2y ago
  The point of your comment was to imply that because you personally made some AI photos for your wife, and it made you happy, any argument that AI art could be harmful was null and void. You're like the person who comes into threads about gun violence and says they don't see what the problem is, since they only shoot watermelons in their backyard. Like, OK. You refuse to recognize the bigger issues at play, noted.
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  - tehjoker 2y ago
    What if the concept of art was like a gun?

voidUpdate 2y ago

People writing harry potter fan fiction are not just pressing the "make fan fiction" button (or at least they weren't in the past, maybe some are with chatgpt these days)

lesostep 2y ago
I'd like to add that fanfiction is also generally disallowed to make any money, unless all of the original influence is removed from it. And so the problem isn't with people who find joy in something they saw, but in people who make money from derivative work without explicit permission

cobertos 2y ago

The dopamine from an image edit like this is such a short term gain for all the long term effort that went into perfecting and performing a specific art style and it becoming a name and cultural _thing_. Groups of people staking their careers around something. If the technology stays, the commercial incentives to produce art with such a depth and craftsmanship will cease to happen (unless perhaps new styles would be generated to feed an LLM as part of an art pipeline? Maybe? Wishful thinking most likely). You won't be able to stand up a company like Studio Ghibli in the new market. You'll have a harder time even standing up a career as an artist in general, let along getting enough to come together to form a studio. This will be the last time art creation like this happens. You may love Ghibli, but this will kill the process the allowed Ghibli to form. --- Spread across all such art styles, art itself no longer signals any quality of the minds or depth of effort behind its creation. We will have to look elsewhere for things to love and that have meaning.