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Apple's motivation for suing Samsung

15 points by chmike 14y ago

josteink 14y ago
Meh. Perpetuating the myth that Samsung copies Apple. I've had the iPhone. I've had the Samsung Galaxy S. The latter is nothing like the former, and that was why I ditched the iPhone for it. Apple is suing Samsung because they are very, very competitive and eating into Apple's market-segment, or at least the high-end market-segment which Apple wish would be theirs and theirs only. Apple has nothing new to show for, the iPhone is getting stale and the future is looking increasingly bright for Android as a platform, and this is bringing on even more Android OEMs, bringing out even more competitive devices at prices Apple cannot (or wont) match. Apple wants monopoly its own high-end, high profit-margin market-segment, and because of Android they cant have it. Apple wants to stop this, as iOS now represents the majority of the company's income. Without iOS, Apple is nothing. They put themselves here, and now they are trapped. Apple wants Android gone since the success of Android will mean the end of Apple, or at least the end of the golden days Apple is seeing now. Apple is acting aggressively anti-competitive for very selfish reasons. There is nothing more to it. Those who try to analyse this lawsuit as anything else, or as some magic stroke of strategic genius are deliberately BSing themselves. Apple is getting desperate. Simple as that.
- rimantas 14y ago
  You really need to check some of your claims against reality.
- gscott 14y ago
  I also have a Samsung Galaxy S and no one has ever confused it for an iPhone. When using others iPhones they feel radically outdated compared to the Samsung. It seems to me that smartphones are the next logical progression from the Palm phones.
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- endemic 14y ago
  It's not necessarily about how the software works, but how it looks. Apple's UI design is very appealing, so to appropriate that in order to sell a different product is wrong. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say Apple was "ripped off," but Samsung definitely looked a bit too hard at Apple for inspiration for some of their products. Looking at the side by side comparisons of product packaging, power adapters, cables, etc. doesn't give me much sympathy for Samsung at this point.
vetler 14y ago
"I believe that Apple’s future products are going to change the industry so much, Apple has to put a stop to Samsung now." I don't understand this arugment. If Apple really has industry changing products in its pipeline, why bother with this? Their advantage would be that they're visionaries leading the way, so it won't matter if others are copying their old products. However, he tries to predict the future. Does Apple really have industry changing products in its pipeline? They haven't really impressed lately.
- stock_toaster 14y ago
  > Does Apple really have industry changing products in its pipeline? They haven't really impressed lately There is the oft rumored apple tv (not the hockey puck). Samsung is heavily competitive in the television market. I read (random google search...possibly junk stats) something like 20% of the flat panel tv market, and 50% of the 3d tv market.
runn1ng 14y ago
"Apple has a purpose for everything it does, including this lawsuit." OK, this is beyond crazy. Why are some people taking Apple like some sort of Holy Company that does nothing wrong, ever? This is so dangerous.
- dvhh 14y ago
  Purpose being "getting more bag-loads of money" (to make that Uncle Scrooge's humongous safe a reality). And shutdown a competitor that happens to build the flagship phone of it's rivals. Every action has a purpose, even a stupid one.
- gutnor 14y ago
  Because Apple is both secretive and very successful - they do not comment on rumor, they do not comment on their intent, they do not comment on criticism (positive or negative), they only talk about their existing product, never about the past( all the compromises and features ) and as little as possible about the future. Yet, despite that, they manage to affect everyday people life. The same conditions that drive people to read the future in tea leafs, or judge God intent in the colour of the sky. That makes 90% of all the blogs and article about Apple completely useless. When they are correct, it is by chance, and very often when they are not correct, they cannot really be proven wrong.
  - josteink 14y ago
    Yet, despite that, they manage to affect everyday people life. What sort of nonsense are you talking about? Seriously? I don't get it. This sound like religious ramblings to me. If you are going to make that sort of argument, you better be prepared to expand on it. What does it mean? What practical consequences does it have? Why should we care?
    - gutnor 14y ago
      I meant that Apple is well known (in good or in bad) to the general public, despite the secrecy about the company itself. IMO that is what lead to the success of tea leaf readers disguised as Apple analyst - i.e. the gp complain. Instead of reading my religious rambling, have a look at the rambling of Samsung lawyers in the same line of reasoning: http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/05/samsung-accuses-apple-experts-of.html http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/05/samsung-accuses-apple-exp...
rkwz 14y ago
>Apple has a purpose for everything it does, including this lawsuit. There can be no doubt that Apple has some clever, perhaps industry changing products in the pipeline over the next few years. Although none us know for sure what those products are, if they are truly disruptive, like the iPhone and iPad, it’s in Apple’s best interests to stop Samsung now. People have already begun worshiping Apple.
esolyt 14y ago
This is one of those Apple fanblogs that should not be taken seriously. One person in the comments section seriously claims that other phones HAVE TO use larger screens because Apple buys all the 3.5 inch screens and does not leave any for them.
jdechambeau 14y ago
This may well be the worst piece of reasoning I've ever seen. It's a religious position.

15 points by chmike 14y ago

Meh. Perpetuating the myth that Samsung copies Apple. I've had the iPhone. I've had the Samsung Galaxy S. The latter is nothing like the former, and that was why I ditched the iPhone for it. Apple is suing Samsung because they are very, very competitive and eating into Apple's market-segment, or at least the high-end market-segment which Apple wish would be theirs and theirs only. Apple has nothing new to show for, the iPhone is getting stale and the future is looking increasingly bright for Android as a platform, and this is bringing on even more Android OEMs, bringing out even more competitive devices at prices Apple cannot (or wont) match. Apple wants monopoly its own high-end, high profit-margin market-segment, and because of Android they cant have it. Apple wants to stop this, as iOS now represents the majority of the company's income. Without iOS, Apple is nothing. They put themselves here, and now they are trapped. Apple wants Android gone since the success of Android will mean the end of Apple, or at least the end of the golden days Apple is seeing now. Apple is acting aggressively anti-competitive for very selfish reasons. There is nothing more to it. Those who try to analyse this lawsuit as anything else, or as some magic stroke of strategic genius are deliberately BSing themselves. Apple is getting desperate. Simple as that.

rimantas 14y ago
You really need to check some of your claims against reality.
gscott 14y ago
I also have a Samsung Galaxy S and no one has ever confused it for an iPhone. When using others iPhones they feel radically outdated compared to the Samsung. It seems to me that smartphones are the next logical progression from the Palm phones.
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endemic 14y ago
It's not necessarily about how the software works, but how it looks. Apple's UI design is very appealing, so to appropriate that in order to sell a different product is wrong. I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say Apple was "ripped off," but Samsung definitely looked a bit too hard at Apple for inspiration for some of their products. Looking at the side by side comparisons of product packaging, power adapters, cables, etc. doesn't give me much sympathy for Samsung at this point.

vetler 14y ago

"I believe that Apple’s future products are going to change the industry so much, Apple has to put a stop to Samsung now." I don't understand this arugment. If Apple really has industry changing products in its pipeline, why bother with this? Their advantage would be that they're visionaries leading the way, so it won't matter if others are copying their old products. However, he tries to predict the future. Does Apple really have industry changing products in its pipeline? They haven't really impressed lately.

stock_toaster 14y ago
> Does Apple really have industry changing products in its pipeline? They haven't really impressed lately There is the oft rumored apple tv (not the hockey puck). Samsung is heavily competitive in the television market. I read (random google search...possibly junk stats) something like 20% of the flat panel tv market, and 50% of the 3d tv market.

runn1ng 14y ago

"Apple has a purpose for everything it does, including this lawsuit." OK, this is beyond crazy. Why are some people taking Apple like some sort of Holy Company that does nothing wrong, ever? This is so dangerous.

dvhh 14y ago
Purpose being "getting more bag-loads of money" (to make that Uncle Scrooge's humongous safe a reality). And shutdown a competitor that happens to build the flagship phone of it's rivals. Every action has a purpose, even a stupid one.
gutnor 14y ago
Because Apple is both secretive and very successful - they do not comment on rumor, they do not comment on their intent, they do not comment on criticism (positive or negative), they only talk about their existing product, never about the past( all the compromises and features ) and as little as possible about the future. Yet, despite that, they manage to affect everyday people life. The same conditions that drive people to read the future in tea leafs, or judge God intent in the colour of the sky. That makes 90% of all the blogs and article about Apple completely useless. When they are correct, it is by chance, and very often when they are not correct, they cannot really be proven wrong.
- josteink 14y ago
  Yet, despite that, they manage to affect everyday people life. What sort of nonsense are you talking about? Seriously? I don't get it. This sound like religious ramblings to me. If you are going to make that sort of argument, you better be prepared to expand on it. What does it mean? What practical consequences does it have? Why should we care?
  - gutnor 14y ago
    I meant that Apple is well known (in good or in bad) to the general public, despite the secrecy about the company itself. IMO that is what lead to the success of tea leaf readers disguised as Apple analyst - i.e. the gp complain. Instead of reading my religious rambling, have a look at the rambling of Samsung lawyers in the same line of reasoning: http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/05/samsung-accuses-apple-experts-of.html http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/05/samsung-accuses-apple-exp...

rkwz 14y ago

>Apple has a purpose for everything it does, including this lawsuit. There can be no doubt that Apple has some clever, perhaps industry changing products in the pipeline over the next few years. Although none us know for sure what those products are, if they are truly disruptive, like the iPhone and iPad, it’s in Apple’s best interests to stop Samsung now. People have already begun worshiping Apple.

esolyt 14y ago

This is one of those Apple fanblogs that should not be taken seriously. One person in the comments section seriously claims that other phones HAVE TO use larger screens because Apple buys all the 3.5 inch screens and does not leave any for them.

jdechambeau 14y ago

This may well be the worst piece of reasoning I've ever seen. It's a religious position.