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Japanese firms take copyright pretty seriously, and Miyazaki is famously not a fan of CG or automation or indeed the US. I suspect lawsuits will not be long in

Japanese firms take copyright pretty seriously, and Miyazaki is famously not a fan of CG or automation or indeed the US. I suspect lawsuits will not be long in coming.

pnw 2y ago
Apparently current Japanese law allows models to be trained on copyrighted content. https://www.deeplearning.ai/the-batch/japan-ai-data-laws-explained/ https://www.deeplearning.ai/the-batch/japan-ai-data-laws-exp...
- lxgr 2y ago
  Such a law doesn't automatically imply that everything a model outputs is automatically copyright free though, does it? Otherwise: Meet my new and surprisingly performant new model, IdentityFunctionGPT! Oh, the weights? Sorry, trade secret.
  - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
    I don't know, I'm no lawyer. However, if I make a drawing in the style of Ghibli, I own the copyright because I made it. I don't know if in Japan, art style is copyrightable. I don't know if copyright applies to generated content (of any sort) though. It probably does.
    - lxgr 2y ago
      The important question here isn't who owns the copyright in the output, but rather whether the output also infringes on somebody else's, and if so, who's liable for that: The company that trained the AI, the one that hosts it as a service, or the user that prompted it.
hiccuphippo 2y ago
On the other hand, Japan pretty much ignores the amateur comics community using copyrighted works for their fan fiction. Even when they have big, well known, events where they sell the comics.
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  There's an industry consensus to leave it alone in most* cases, since it is considered to expand the total manga market and generate new talent. Micro-publishers are very different from megacorporations, though. * Unsurprisingly a famous exception involves Nintendo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_doujinshi_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_doujinshi_inciden...
- numpad0 2y ago
  There's a unwritten framework regulating it, unwritten but enforced by selective C&D. I think that's how a lot of industries work anyway, see Oracle v. Google drama on use of Java in Android.

Japanese firms take copyright pretty seriously, and Miyazaki is famously not a fan of CG or automation or indeed the US. I suspect lawsuits will not be long in coming.

pnw 2y ago

Apparently current Japanese law allows models to be trained on copyrighted content. https://www.deeplearning.ai/the-batch/japan-ai-data-laws-explained/ https://www.deeplearning.ai/the-batch/japan-ai-data-laws-exp...

lxgr 2y ago
Such a law doesn't automatically imply that everything a model outputs is automatically copyright free though, does it? Otherwise: Meet my new and surprisingly performant new model, IdentityFunctionGPT! Oh, the weights? Sorry, trade secret.
- Cthulhu_ 2y ago
  I don't know, I'm no lawyer. However, if I make a drawing in the style of Ghibli, I own the copyright because I made it. I don't know if in Japan, art style is copyrightable. I don't know if copyright applies to generated content (of any sort) though. It probably does.
  - lxgr 2y ago
    The important question here isn't who owns the copyright in the output, but rather whether the output also infringes on somebody else's, and if so, who's liable for that: The company that trained the AI, the one that hosts it as a service, or the user that prompted it.

hiccuphippo 2y ago

On the other hand, Japan pretty much ignores the amateur comics community using copyrighted works for their fan fiction. Even when they have big, well known, events where they sell the comics.

anigbrowl 2y ago
There's an industry consensus to leave it alone in most* cases, since it is considered to expand the total manga market and generate new talent. Micro-publishers are very different from megacorporations, though. * Unsurprisingly a famous exception involves Nintendo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_doujinshi_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_doujinshi_inciden...
numpad0 2y ago
There's a unwritten framework regulating it, unwritten but enforced by selective C&D. I think that's how a lot of industries work anyway, see Oracle v. Google drama on use of Java in Android.