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I read this as: "CDE open sourced..." <audience laughter, comedic pause> "...on SourceForge" <riotous laughter, fade to black>

by dlinder 14y ago

barbs 14y ago
Pardon my ignorance, but what's wrong with SourceForge? Is it simply not as popular as other open-source project sites?
- noselasd 14y ago
  * Bog down slow. * Unhelpful user interface with a bad/non-existing thought to workflow. * Annoys the user.(You want to download that 30k file, please wait 5..4..3..2..1..).
- tomjakubowski 14y ago
  Obnoxious ads everywhere, download page with countdown timer, and as you mentioned the OSS community has largely abandoned it. Do you think this doesn't matter?
- owyn 14y ago
  Sourceforge was great back in the day when it was the only (?) option for public code hosting besides running your own site, but it's not as "cool" now... it feels like most projects have left, only abandoned projects remain. Putting a "new" project there seems strange. I don't know if that's due to functionality or not though, maybe it's just that the UI feels dated. Even with free offerings, people pay attention to the usability and UI, and although I've never run a project using sourceforge, I don't think I'd ever choose (or recommend) it over github or bitbucket. I'd love to hear reasons why I'm wrong on that opinion?
  - gt384u 14y ago
    I had a conversation with a senior engineer on SourceForge where he pointed out that most people forget that developers are actually a minority of their business: most of their users are nontechnical people that come to them to download binaries of things like zip utilities.
    - Argorak 14y ago
      It may be true that download users are their business, but developers certainly are the drivers of the site. They produce the content. Even then, the downloading experience is warped straight from the 90s.
  - perlgeek 14y ago
    There are valid reasons not to use sourceforge. You know, each sf project can have a "homepage" link, and I once spent half an hour searching for where to change it. I kid you not. I have searched for 10 minutes on how to reply to a bug report and attach a patch. I gave up in the end. I'm still the owner of a dead project on sourceforge. I've tried several times to delete that project, but there was always something that prevented me from doing it (I don't recall, I think the project had a mailing list, and I didn't have permission to delete the mailing list, and I couldn't delete the project without first deleting the mailing list. Or something.). sourceforge simply isn't usable. The makers know that, which is why they do a big redesign/relaunch every two years or so -- but each one makes it worse.
  - testdfsg 14y ago
    Do you know any alternative to SourceForge? SourceForge allows to host phpBB, Wordpress, MediaWiki, my custom php code, with gigabytes of disk space. It's not possible to install all this software on Github or Google Code project.
    - ConstantineXVI 14y ago
      Perhaps that's why SourceForge is so bloated; it's trying to wear too many hats. GitHub and Google Code both give you a issue board, wiki, and site host; but it's all integrated and their ops teams don't have to worry about random 3rd-party software going haywire since they own it all.
- einhverfr 14y ago
  LedgerSMB is on Sourceforge and probably will never move. Moving is a lot of work. Sourceforge has some quirks but it isn't really all that bad. Even for projects on GitHub, it's not bad to have a Sourceforge presence for hosting downloads and the like. It is true that in general we have been trying to move more and more of our services off Sourceforge, but this has been a slow process. Sourceforge offers a lot of things that GitHub and Bitbucket don't offer. I haven't been able to find email list hosting integrated with project management anywhere else yet but maybe I haven't been looking hard enough. The closest thing you have is Google Code. I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with it. It isn't as trendy as some others, but I think you want to look for concrete benefits, not worry about where the hottest spot is at the moment.
raverbashing 14y ago
hosted using CVS maybe?
- pjscott 14y ago
  Surprisingly, they're using git: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/code/ci/a7562a8009841cbb8b8ba3b28f18e214eb38f446/tree/cde/ http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/code/ci/a7562a8009841cb...

I read this as: "CDE open sourced..." <audience laughter, comedic pause> "...on SourceForge" <riotous laughter, fade to black>

by dlinder 14y ago

I read this as: "CDE open sourced..." <audience laughter, comedic pause> "...on SourceForge" <riotous laughter, fade to black>

barbs 14y ago

Pardon my ignorance, but what's wrong with SourceForge? Is it simply not as popular as other open-source project sites?

noselasd 14y ago
* Bog down slow. * Unhelpful user interface with a bad/non-existing thought to workflow. * Annoys the user.(You want to download that 30k file, please wait 5..4..3..2..1..).
tomjakubowski 14y ago
Obnoxious ads everywhere, download page with countdown timer, and as you mentioned the OSS community has largely abandoned it. Do you think this doesn't matter?
owyn 14y ago
Sourceforge was great back in the day when it was the only (?) option for public code hosting besides running your own site, but it's not as "cool" now... it feels like most projects have left, only abandoned projects remain. Putting a "new" project there seems strange. I don't know if that's due to functionality or not though, maybe it's just that the UI feels dated. Even with free offerings, people pay attention to the usability and UI, and although I've never run a project using sourceforge, I don't think I'd ever choose (or recommend) it over github or bitbucket. I'd love to hear reasons why I'm wrong on that opinion?
- gt384u 14y ago
  I had a conversation with a senior engineer on SourceForge where he pointed out that most people forget that developers are actually a minority of their business: most of their users are nontechnical people that come to them to download binaries of things like zip utilities.
  - Argorak 14y ago
    It may be true that download users are their business, but developers certainly are the drivers of the site. They produce the content. Even then, the downloading experience is warped straight from the 90s.
- perlgeek 14y ago
  There are valid reasons not to use sourceforge. You know, each sf project can have a "homepage" link, and I once spent half an hour searching for where to change it. I kid you not. I have searched for 10 minutes on how to reply to a bug report and attach a patch. I gave up in the end. I'm still the owner of a dead project on sourceforge. I've tried several times to delete that project, but there was always something that prevented me from doing it (I don't recall, I think the project had a mailing list, and I didn't have permission to delete the mailing list, and I couldn't delete the project without first deleting the mailing list. Or something.). sourceforge simply isn't usable. The makers know that, which is why they do a big redesign/relaunch every two years or so -- but each one makes it worse.
- testdfsg 14y ago
  Do you know any alternative to SourceForge? SourceForge allows to host phpBB, Wordpress, MediaWiki, my custom php code, with gigabytes of disk space. It's not possible to install all this software on Github or Google Code project.
  - ConstantineXVI 14y ago
    Perhaps that's why SourceForge is so bloated; it's trying to wear too many hats. GitHub and Google Code both give you a issue board, wiki, and site host; but it's all integrated and their ops teams don't have to worry about random 3rd-party software going haywire since they own it all.
einhverfr 14y ago
LedgerSMB is on Sourceforge and probably will never move. Moving is a lot of work. Sourceforge has some quirks but it isn't really all that bad. Even for projects on GitHub, it's not bad to have a Sourceforge presence for hosting downloads and the like. It is true that in general we have been trying to move more and more of our services off Sourceforge, but this has been a slow process. Sourceforge offers a lot of things that GitHub and Bitbucket don't offer. I haven't been able to find email list hosting integrated with project management anywhere else yet but maybe I haven't been looking hard enough. The closest thing you have is Google Code. I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with it. It isn't as trendy as some others, but I think you want to look for concrete benefits, not worry about where the hottest spot is at the moment.

raverbashing 14y ago

hosted using CVS maybe?

pjscott 14y ago
Surprisingly, they're using git: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/code/ci/a7562a8009841cbb8b8ba3b28f18e214eb38f446/tree/cde/ http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/code/ci/a7562a8009841cb...