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> the "tush push". It's not a particularly complex play, but for some reason the Philadelphia Eagles can pull it off astoundingly better than anyone else in the

by adzm 2y ago

> the "tush push". It's not a particularly complex play, but for some reason the Philadelphia Eagles can pull it off astoundingly better than anyone else in the league I looked this up and am still unclear why only the Eagles seem to be able to perform this maneuver effectively, other than having an exceptionally strong person at the front?

rhcom2 2y ago
Three massive offensive linemen plus a very strong QB.
16bytes 2y ago
It's strength, size and technique of multiple people working together. You'd think it'd be easy to watch game footage and just replicate what the Eagles do, but other teams haven't been able to get the formula right. This is the reason that banning it is controversial. Why make it illegal when most teams can't make work well?
trillic 2y ago
Their quarterback squatting 600 lbs doesn’t hurts.
- 3vidence 2y ago
  Also helps he is not exceptionally tall to keep a lower center of gravity. Josh Allen on the bills also tries this and is very strong but it's harder for him to get as low.
- daseiner1 2y ago
  nicely done.
basisword 2y ago
They've recruited the players necessary to pull it off effectively. That's not a simple thing to remedy for other teams.
tedunangst 2y ago
Contrary to popular belief, it requires a fair bit of practice to get right, which is why you see hater GMs saying oh, yeah, it's so simple we could do it if we wanted, but then they try it in a game after one practice and it fails. The Eagles spent several years practicing it, so now they're that far behind.
- eszed 2y ago
  They need to get some rugby coaches in to teach it. That's a super-basic rugby technique, which even I (as only a very casual rugby fan) can see most teams getting wrong.
  - panzagl 2y ago
    The Eagles did- one of their players has a rugby background.
    - eszed 2y ago
      Yeah, I think that's their secret sauce. It's curious that other teams haven't followed suit.
  - dmurray 2y ago
    What basic rugby technique? A rugby scrum is highly regimented, it's not the optimal way for 3 (or 5 or 8) guys to push the other team back, it's the optimal way to do it given that they must be bound in a particular way. A rugby ruck or maul is more freeform and maybe some of the techniques from those can be applied to NFL, but small differences in rules make a big difference there too. On a different question, though, sure, the Eagles have a massive and strong QB who is perfect for this play, but other teams have huge guys playing other positions. Why not have a different quarterback for your QB sneak / tush push plays? Specialist players for niche situations is a trademark of the NFL compared to other professional sports, and this play doesn't rely on the element of surprise. You don't need to have your best player at passing the ball also be the strongest at breaking the line.

by adzm 2y ago

rhcom2 2y ago

Three massive offensive linemen plus a very strong QB.

16bytes 2y ago

It's strength, size and technique of multiple people working together. You'd think it'd be easy to watch game footage and just replicate what the Eagles do, but other teams haven't been able to get the formula right. This is the reason that banning it is controversial. Why make it illegal when most teams can't make work well?

trillic 2y ago

Their quarterback squatting 600 lbs doesn’t hurts.

3vidence 2y ago
Also helps he is not exceptionally tall to keep a lower center of gravity. Josh Allen on the bills also tries this and is very strong but it's harder for him to get as low.
daseiner1 2y ago
nicely done.

basisword 2y ago

They've recruited the players necessary to pull it off effectively. That's not a simple thing to remedy for other teams.

tedunangst 2y ago

Contrary to popular belief, it requires a fair bit of practice to get right, which is why you see hater GMs saying oh, yeah, it's so simple we could do it if we wanted, but then they try it in a game after one practice and it fails. The Eagles spent several years practicing it, so now they're that far behind.

eszed 2y ago
They need to get some rugby coaches in to teach it. That's a super-basic rugby technique, which even I (as only a very casual rugby fan) can see most teams getting wrong.
- panzagl 2y ago
  The Eagles did- one of their players has a rugby background.
  - eszed 2y ago
    Yeah, I think that's their secret sauce. It's curious that other teams haven't followed suit.
- dmurray 2y ago
  What basic rugby technique? A rugby scrum is highly regimented, it's not the optimal way for 3 (or 5 or 8) guys to push the other team back, it's the optimal way to do it given that they must be bound in a particular way. A rugby ruck or maul is more freeform and maybe some of the techniques from those can be applied to NFL, but small differences in rules make a big difference there too. On a different question, though, sure, the Eagles have a massive and strong QB who is perfect for this play, but other teams have huge guys playing other positions. Why not have a different quarterback for your QB sneak / tush push plays? Specialist players for niche situations is a trademark of the NFL compared to other professional sports, and this play doesn't rely on the element of surprise. You don't need to have your best player at passing the ball also be the strongest at breaking the line.