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No good deed goes unpunished. Don't protect users' privacy, and you get flak from regulators for "not doing enough". Protect users' privacy, and you get flak fr

by gruez 2y ago

No good deed goes unpunished. Don't protect users' privacy, and you get flak from regulators for "not doing enough". Protect users' privacy, and you get flak from regulators because it's "too complex and hurts small companies that rely on advertising revenue". You see similar levels of cynicism directed at Google. When firefox banned third party cookies, it was almost universally welcomed, but when Chrome does it the cynics come out and say how it's actually some sort dastardly ploy to cement their position in the ad market because third party adtech firms are disproportionately harmed.

dinkblam 2y ago
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- ohgr 2y ago
  Indeed. If they really gave a shit they'd be getting Apple to open up their APIs so we can get data out of Reminders and Notes etc without having to resort to necromancy and hacking... Apple need one of these https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/ https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/
  - briandear 2y ago
    As an Apple user, I don’t want third party apps to be able to have access to that data. Apple has earned my trust, but most third party apps have not. I buy Apple specifically because I want the level of privacy that their platform provides. If third party devs don’t like it, they can ship for Android.
    - epolanski 2y ago
      You know you're free to just not use a feature, application, or deny consent? Privacy is about making access transparent, not by having customers in tiers. I swear there's a parallel world with lunatics saying they are glad that only XCode can access their file system and processes and they don't want that Vim, VSC, Emacs or IntelliJ crap.
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      Funny, they burned that trust for many by being so opaque on every level of their pipeline, from consumers to developers, from hardware to software.
  - izacus 2y ago
    They literally did that too via DMA. Why are you bullshitting? :)
    - ohgr 2y ago
      Where’s the documentation and API contracts? How can I get my notes data out?
- ginko 2y ago
  You seriously underestimate the size of EU countries' budgets if you think $150M would even register.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- epolanski 2y ago
  You're completely unaware of the financial shenanigans that US tech does in Europe. I'll just leave you with the fact that Apple across two decades paid pennies in taxes in Italy (claiming few millions in revenues) because they would have bullshit like Apple Ireland selling Apple Italy iPhones for 1000€s and selling them for 1000€s plus vat. Meanwhile Apple Ireland was buying those iPhones for the pennies it costs to make them (few hundred $ at best) and thanks to Irish corporate taxes being close to non existent (0.5%) Apple has paid virtually nothing for decades. If you believe that us European voters love our countries to be subsidized by rich American countries you're out of your mind, but what we dislike is being taken advantage over and over.
  - shuckles 2y ago
    The Double Irish arrangement is 45 years old and used by basically every multinational in Europe.
ipaddr 2y ago
One benefits directly while the other doesn't. Plus many people complained.
- briandear 2y ago
  The advertising industry was who filed the complaint, it wasn’t a bunch of normal users. If the ad industry wasn’t so shitty, I might give them the benefit of the doubt.
- gruez 2y ago
  >One benefits directly while the other doesn't. That's the exact of cynicism I'm talking about. It doesn't matter whether banning third party was good for users or not, only whether Google (or Mozilla) stood to benefit. This is absolutely toxic because it means objectively good changes get shouted down. > Plus many people complained. For what, Firefox?
  - ATMLOTTOBEER 2y ago
    Chrome never actually did away with third party cookies
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    >It doesn't matter whether banning third party was good for users or not, only whether Google (or Mozilla) stood to benefit. Well, yes. These are billion dollar companies. Always follow the money. The incentives change everything. >This is absolutely toxic because it means objectively good changes get shouted down. Probably because "objectively good" changes often follow before even more harmful decisions. Many have long lost their benefit of the double for these Big Tech trillionaifes. And the reputation is deserved.
Nullabillity 2y ago
The difference is that Firefox didn't do it as an excuse to sneak in a new tracking system instead.
- gruez 2y ago
  You mean this? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attr...

by gruez 2y ago

dinkblam 2y ago

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ohgr 2y ago
Indeed. If they really gave a shit they'd be getting Apple to open up their APIs so we can get data out of Reminders and Notes etc without having to resort to necromancy and hacking... Apple need one of these https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/ https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/
- briandear 2y ago
  As an Apple user, I don’t want third party apps to be able to have access to that data. Apple has earned my trust, but most third party apps have not. I buy Apple specifically because I want the level of privacy that their platform provides. If third party devs don’t like it, they can ship for Android.
  - epolanski 2y ago
    You know you're free to just not use a feature, application, or deny consent? Privacy is about making access transparent, not by having customers in tiers. I swear there's a parallel world with lunatics saying they are glad that only XCode can access their file system and processes and they don't want that Vim, VSC, Emacs or IntelliJ crap.
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Funny, they burned that trust for many by being so opaque on every level of their pipeline, from consumers to developers, from hardware to software.
- izacus 2y ago
  They literally did that too via DMA. Why are you bullshitting? :)
  - ohgr 2y ago
    Where’s the documentation and API contracts? How can I get my notes data out?
ginko 2y ago
You seriously underestimate the size of EU countries' budgets if you think $150M would even register.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
epolanski 2y ago
You're completely unaware of the financial shenanigans that US tech does in Europe. I'll just leave you with the fact that Apple across two decades paid pennies in taxes in Italy (claiming few millions in revenues) because they would have bullshit like Apple Ireland selling Apple Italy iPhones for 1000€s and selling them for 1000€s plus vat. Meanwhile Apple Ireland was buying those iPhones for the pennies it costs to make them (few hundred $ at best) and thanks to Irish corporate taxes being close to non existent (0.5%) Apple has paid virtually nothing for decades. If you believe that us European voters love our countries to be subsidized by rich American countries you're out of your mind, but what we dislike is being taken advantage over and over.
- shuckles 2y ago
  The Double Irish arrangement is 45 years old and used by basically every multinational in Europe.

ipaddr 2y ago

One benefits directly while the other doesn't. Plus many people complained.

briandear 2y ago
The advertising industry was who filed the complaint, it wasn’t a bunch of normal users. If the ad industry wasn’t so shitty, I might give them the benefit of the doubt.
gruez 2y ago
>One benefits directly while the other doesn't. That's the exact of cynicism I'm talking about. It doesn't matter whether banning third party was good for users or not, only whether Google (or Mozilla) stood to benefit. This is absolutely toxic because it means objectively good changes get shouted down. > Plus many people complained. For what, Firefox?
- ATMLOTTOBEER 2y ago
  Chrome never actually did away with third party cookies
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  >It doesn't matter whether banning third party was good for users or not, only whether Google (or Mozilla) stood to benefit. Well, yes. These are billion dollar companies. Always follow the money. The incentives change everything. >This is absolutely toxic because it means objectively good changes get shouted down. Probably because "objectively good" changes often follow before even more harmful decisions. Many have long lost their benefit of the double for these Big Tech trillionaifes. And the reputation is deserved.

Nullabillity 2y ago

The difference is that Firefox didn't do it as an excuse to sneak in a new tracking system instead.

gruez 2y ago
You mean this? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attribution https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/privacy-preserving-attr...