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>1. the opposite can also be true, ie. people taking anti-establilshment stances to be edgy or whatever Hence suspect. I didn't state it definitively for that
by no_wizard 2y ago
>1. the opposite can also be true, ie. people taking anti-establilshment stances to be edgy or whatever
Hence suspect. I didn't state it definitively for that reason alone. I can only infer based on things like sentiment analysis and reading volumes of comments, reports (news and otherwise) and of course, polls. It all offers very conflicting ideas of how people really feel about him, what he did, and the CEO. That all take in sum, seems to suggest there is more support than any one poll captures.
That said, I understand that is all sociological qualitative analysis, therefore must admit it could be wrong.
>2. Your argument seems to basically "17% or 41% is far lower than I observe, therefore it must be because people are cowed into hiding their actual opinions". That might be the case, but it's also possible you're in a filter bubble that's not representative of the public as a whole. For instance if you were on reddit last year you might have gotten the impression there was a universal consensus that Trump had zero support and that Mangione did nothing wrong, but know now that the former was obviously false.
It does not, which is why I never said anything like that. See my response above. Its based on a number of factors, of which anecdotal evidence is not a factor.
- aaomidi 2y agoHonestly the fact that this murder is even a thing where we can’t agree on how condemned it was is already multiple orders of magnitude higher than the median murder that happens. This is still a very useful signal if you’re thinking long term society health.
- no_wizard 2y agoTo me it’s a sign that the system has become broken. Not yet beyond repair, but rapidly approaching such. This should have an opportunity for folks to have serious conversations about reform and making things better, but my expectation of what I think will happen vs what is happening unfortunately don’t match
- aaomidi 2y agoWe share the same view!
- kortilla 2y ago> I can only infer based on things like sentiment analysis and reading volumes of comments, reports (news and otherwise) and of course, polls. > of which anecdotal evidence is not a factor. Comments are absolutely anecdotal. Luigi was extremely popular with the typical politically active Reddit base. Additionally, the people that don’t support him aren’t going to come out and say “well I’m against murder”. So you end up with huge echo chambers that vastly overstate the support because it’s 2% of the people cheering each other on.